The Nesting Box is an organizer/storage box for all Wingspan content and cards (sleeved or unsleeved). This modular box is designed for all past, present, and future content. It does not include any gameplay content, and it is prepackaged for shipping, so no other items can be added to an order containing a single Nesting Box.
The Nesting Box includes:
- 1 dual-layered, individually numbered box (430x306x207mm fits, into Kallax shelves; 4.4 kg).*
- top layer (removable cardboard tray): holds 7 rubber playmats (laid flat), 12 folded cardboard player mats, rulebooks, goal mats
- middle layer (removable cardboard tray): includes 1 setup tray/lid, 3 food/egg trays, 1 dice tray, 1 card tray (fits sleeved cards), a long slot with separators for cards (fits sleeved cards), and room for the birdfeeder; plastic tray area is big enough for custom inserts previously purchased just for the Wingspan box
- bottom layer: modular space for bird trays, plastic containers, and third-party accessories
- cardboard dividers for various types of cards from current and future continents
- 1 cardboard birdfeeder dice tower
*Please note that the art on the lid may not perfectly align with the art on the bottom. These are two separately printed components that are aligned to match as closely as possible, but some may be a millimeter out of alignment.
Please also note that some of the components shown in these photos are third party accessories, like the wooden food tokens made by Meeplesource.
Feel free to read a chronicle of the events surrounding the launch of the Nesting Box and how we’re looking to serve customers better with the reprints, as well as an article about the preorder method used for the third printing.
Media
- BoardGameGeek
- The Mill (Gen Con unboxing; also full reboxing video)
- Nacho Average Tabletop (also unboxing)
- Super Board Sunday (unboxing)
- The Family Meeple (unboxing)
- Beans and Dice (unboxing)
- Long Distance Gamers (unboxing and reboxing)
- SideGame (organizing the box)
- Sir Thecos
- Spellenwils (Dutch)
- Board Game Shots (and Instagram)
- Brettspiel Teddy
Release Details: The Nesting Box was available for a first-run order from Stonemaier Games on November 2, 2022, followed by fulfillment throughout November from fulfillment centers in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia. Reprints soon followed.
Updates: See this first-printing fulfillment update (November 14).
Product Details: The Nesting Box is prepackaged, so if you add any other products to your order, they will ship separately (and the shipping fee will increase as a result of the two shipments). We recommend placing a separate order for other products.
Other Languages: The Nesting Box is language independent. The following localization partners also acquired copies of the Nesting Box: Surfin Meeple, Wanted Games, Korea Board Games, Matagot, Grok, Ghenos, Maldito, Deltavision, and Mindok.
Fourth Prototype
A lot of this content–photos and text–is repeated from the third and fourth prototypes, as there were only a few changes made in this round of revisions.
Please keep in mind that this is just a prototype. The real box will have art on the outside and inside, and the plastic trays will have different colors.
The box is 430x306x207mm. It’s designed to fit onto standard Kallax game shelves (and game bags–we don’t want it to be so big that you can’t easily transport it). Here’s the box compared to a Wingspan box:
The top layer is designed to hold 5 neoprene mats (laying completely flat, no folding) and two sets of 5 player mats, as well as the rulebooks and the goal mat. It’s a little taller and longer now so future expansion rulebooks can fit. In this photo, I only have 2 of the neoprene playmats underneath two sets of 5 cardboard player mats.
The ribbons are helpful for extracting the top layer from the box. We’ve added push-holes in two places at the base of this layer so you can easily extract the mats.
The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards (or 850 cards with thin sleeves or 450 cards with thick premium sleeves) between the removable tray and the right side. Between the core game and the European and Oceania expansions, there are 356 bird cards; we estimate that the remaining 4 expansions will double that quantity for a total of around 700 bird cards. So if you have super thick premium sleeves, you will eventually need to place some of those cards in a card tray in the bottom layer of the big box. The left corner holds all sleeved or unsleeved Automa and bonus cards, as well as the reference tiles.
This layer includes built-in dividers because from the first day you have the box, you can start to divide cards as you wish without having them slide around–no foam blocks required. However, we’re also including divider tiles labeled for each continent for you to use as you wish.
The central area contains 5 plastic trays. Thus, if you already have a custom insert, there’s enough space here (284x240mm) to use your insert instead of these trays. All trays are thick, sturdy plastic, and the final versions will be white and clear. You can see cardboard divider tiles that we’re now including in addition to the built-in dividers.
On the right side are the setup tray and beneath it a bird card tray. To set up the game, you’ll use the quick-setup tray to select your dice, goal tiles, player tokens, and start player tile, then put the tray back in the box.
The bird card tray is primarily for storing bird cards. It’s deeper than the normal bird card trays so it can hold as many cards as possible. The lid for this tray is the standard bird card display mat–that way everything you need to play is in the middle layer of the box.
On the left side are 3 identical trays designed to be placed on the table for the entire game (one on each side of the table). Each tray holds food tokens (standard or custom versions like the Meeplesource tokens shown here) and over 100 eggs. All compartments are designed to be “scoopable.”
I put the lids on both trays and gave them a good shake to see if tokens slide around under the lid. They pass the test! These trays each have their own clear plastic lid that snaps on, and they’re made from thick, sturdy plastic.
The bottom layer is the most flexible layer, which is important, because we don’t know exactly what the remaining 4 expansions will include. It’s designed to fit the card holders, but all of the cards should fit in the middle layer (keep the original card trays for overflow if your sleeved cards don’t fit in the middle layer). This area can also hold clear plastic containers (like the ones included in Wingspan).
Third Prototype
I think we’re getting really close with this prototype! Please keep in mind that this is just a prototype. The real box will have art on the outside and inside, and the plastic trays will also be thematically colored.
The box is designed to fit onto standard game shelves (and game bags–we don’t want it to be so big that you can’t easily transport it). Here’s the box compared to a Wingspan box:
The top layer is designed to hold 5 neoprene mats and two sets of 5 player mats, as well as the rulebooks and the goal mat. It’s a little taller and longer now so future expansion rulebooks can fit. In this photo, I only have 2 of the neoprene playmats underneath two sets of 5 cardboard player mats.
As Walter points out below, the ribbons are helpful for extracting the top layer from the box. However, I lean towards adding another ribbon designed to help you lift the mats from this layer. A finger hole would work too. What do you think?
The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards (or 850 cards with thin sleeves or 450 cards with thick premium sleeves) between the removable tray and the right side. Between the core game and the European and Oceania expansions, there are 356 bird cards; we estimate that the remaining 4 expansions will double that quantity for a total of around 700 bird cards. So if you have super thick premium sleeves, you will eventually need to place some of those cards in a card tray in the bottom layer of the big box. The left corner holds all sleeved or unsleeved Automa and bonus cards, as well as the first-player token and reference tiles.
There was some debate over whether or not we should have built-in dividers in the card area on the left or just a big open area with modular dividers. I personally see more value and structural integrity in built-in dividers, and the poll results indicate that 70% of people agree. Plus, with the built-in dividers, from the first day you have the box, you can start to divide cards as you wish without having them slide around–no predesigned loose divider tiles or foam blocks required.
The central area contains 3 plastic trays. Thus, if you already have a custom insert, there’s enough space here (284x240mm) to use your insert instead of these trays instead of the one we provide.
I’ve made the the two stackable trays a little narrower than the width of the central area so you can get your hand next to them and extract them.
Surprise! The two stackable trays are each unique now. I learned through the poll on this poll that some people (like me) prefer to mix their food tokens together while others prefer to keep them separate. So now there’s a tray for each preference.
The idea behind the tray is that you could simply pick it up, put it on the table near 2-3 players, and start playing. That’s why there will actually be two such trays in the box for larger player counts (one tray for each side of the table).
These trays store for food, player tokens, dice, eggs (over 200 eggs), and other tokens. These include the tokens provided with the game and/or larger tokens bought from third-party accessory companies (these photos show Meeplesource upgrades), though it may be difficult to fit big custom player tokens here. There’s plenty of room for them in the bottom layer.
I put the lids on both trays and gave them a good shake to see if tokens slide around under the lid. They pass the test!
There’s room for each of these trays to be 3mm deeper, so we’ll do that. The left tray is a little wobbly; I lean towards using slightly thicker plastic for each for durability. One question: In the right tray, our manufacturer made the nectar section a little wider instead of making all 6 compartments the same width. Do you like that, or do you think each food section should be the same width?
This brings us to the removable card tray. Again, this tray is removable so that the central area of the middle layer is completely modular for those who have custom inserts.
It’s fine. It does it’s job, and it holds sleeved or unsleeved cards, but it’s not a component to highlight. Thicker plastic may help a bit. Also, as noted previously, the plastic will be a thematically appropriate color, not black.
To spruce up this tray a bit, what if the front-facing side of the tray was cut much lower, with the lid dipping much lower on that side. That way this tray showcases the cards (perhaps even replacing the card tray in some games) instead of hiding them in a deep pit. What do you think?
The bottom layer is the most flexible layer, which is important, because we don’t know exactly what the remaining 4 expansions will include. It’s designed to fit the card holders, but all of the cards should fit in the middle layer. The big box will include 1 plastic tray (it’s not necessary to have 2 or 3 plastic trays, but you could use them for overflow if your sleeved cards don’t fit in the middle layer). This area can also hold clear plastic containers (like the ones included in Wingspan).
For fun, here’s what the prototype inspection process looked like. Very official.
Second Prototype
The actual box will have art on the exterior and on each layer, and the box is designed to fit onto standard game shelves (and game bags–we don’t want it to be so big that you can’t easily transport it). Here’s an average floofy cat (Walter) for scale:
The top layer is designed to hold 5 neoprene mats and two sets of 5 player mats, as well as the rulebooks and the goal mat. This layer needs to be a little longer, as some of the neoprene mats don’t quite lay flat. It also needs to be a little taller to fit future expansion rulebooks (though there’s another place for them in the box too).
The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards (or 850 cards with thin sleeves or 450 cards with thick premium sleeves) between the removable tray and the right side. Between the core game and the European and Oceania expansions, there are 356 bird cards; we estimate that the remaining 4 expansions will double that quantity for a total of around 700 bird cards. So if you have super thick premium sleeves, you will eventually need to place some of those cards in a card tray in the bottom layer of the big box. The left corner holds all sleeved or unsleeved Automa and bonus cards.
The central area is big enough that if you already have a custom insert, you can use it instead of the one we provide. The dimensions of this area are 284x224mm.
The plastic trays in the middle are for food, player tokens, dice, eggs, and other tokens (between the 2 trays–only 1 of which is shown here–the trays can hold over 200 eggs). These include the tokens provided with the game and/or larger tokens bought from third-party accessory companies (these photos show Meeplesource upgrades), though it may be difficult to fit big custom player tokens here. There’s plenty of room for them in the bottom layer.
The idea behind the tray is that you could simply pick it up, put it on the table near 2-3 players, and start playing. That’s why there will actually be two such trays in the box for larger player counts (one tray for each side of the table). One of these trays will have separate dividers for 6 types of food; the other will not.
The areas on the left is for Automa and bonus cards, as well as reference tiles and the first-player tile. This area is currently a little too wide, as is the section on the right for the cards. Decreasing the width of the left side will also make it easier to remove the trays from the box.
The plastic tray with the cards will be taller (I’m thinking 70mm tall dividers). We will test adding a lid to this tray (though we want to make sure you can actually remove it from the box).
The other question I have is about the height of the built-in cardboard separators for the card section on the right. Currently they’re 80mm tall, but that can make it a little difficult to extract big chunks of cards from them (the cards are 87mm tall). I’m going to reduce them to 70mm tall for the next prototype.
Here’s what the middle section looks like with a lid on the bottom tray; the lid is designed to hold scorepads. It needs a little work to fit better, though.
The bottom layer is the most flexible layer, which is important, because we don’t know exactly what the remaining 4 expansions will include. It’s designed to fit the card holders, but all of the cards should fit in the middle layer. The big box will include 1 plastic tray (it’s not necessary to have 2 or 3 plastic trays, but you could use them for overflow if your sleeved cards don’t fit in the middle layer). This area can also hold clear plastic containers (like the ones included in Wingspan).
Here’s a collection of the feedback I’ll be sending to our manufacturer for the third prototype, after which we should be good to go to print!
First Prototype
The first prototype is shown in the following photos. The actual box will have art on the exterior and on each layer, and the box is designed to fit onto standard game shelves (and game bags–we don’t want it to be so big that you can’t easily transport it).
The top layer is designed to hold 5 neoprene mats and two sets of 5 player mats.
The middle layer would hold hundreds of cards, the dice tower, and one or two plastic trays in the middle for food, player tokens, dice, eggs, scorepads, and other tokens. These include the tokens provided with the game and/or larger tokens bought from third-party accessory companies. This area is big enough that if you already have a custom insert, you can use it instead of the one we provide.
We’re going to increase the height of this layer and add more dividers to hold sleeved cards vertically, with Automa and bonus cards on the left and cards from the expansions on the right.
The bottom layer is designed to hold 3 plastic trays, which each hold 150 sleeved cards. One tray would come with the box (to be added to the tray that comes with the core game and the European Expansion). These will hold only some of the cards for Wingspan expansions–the others will go in the second layer.
Here’s all three sections:
And here’s everything in the box (there is a lid, though it’s not shown here). The dimensions are designed to fit into a Kallax gaming shelf.
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Will the nesting box be available through amazon?
Thanks for asking! We only offer the Nesting Box for online purchases through the Stonemaier Games webstore.
Does the Nesting Box fit all of the game boards that come with the additional expansions? Trying to decide if this is an investment we want to make or if we need to get creative in storage of our game. Love this concept but struggling to want to spend the money. Thank You!
Absolutely! This modular box is designed for all past, present, and future content, including boards and player mats.
Will yall ever sell the food/egg trays that come with this as a stand alone item?
Howdy! We’re talking about it. If we do, it will be in around 6 months (production/shipping time).
Sweet! That woudl be great!
Hello there, I was wondering if you’ve tested this box with sleeved cards?
Absolutely, here’s the first entry on the FAQ on this page:
Will the Nesting Box hold sleeved cards?
Yes! The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards (or 850 cards with thin sleeves or 450 cards with thick premium sleeves) between the removable tray and the right side. Between the core game and the European and Oceania expansions, there are 356 bird cards; we estimate that the remaining 4 expansions (Asia, then in no particular order Africa, Latin America, and Antarctica) will double that quantity for a total of around 700 bird cards. So if you have super thick premium sleeves, you will eventually need to place some of those cards in a card tray in the bottom layer of the big box.
Do you anticipate that the design of the Nesting Box might be revised once all of the expansions are out?
Thanks for your interest in the Nesting Box! Its design is final and will not change, as we decided it to be modular and flexible for fitting future content.
Hi Jamey,
May I ask if when would the new batch of Nesting Box be ready and in stock? Thanks!
We’re hoping for this week!
Awesome! Looking forward to it!!
Hi Jamey. Can’t tell you how much I love the game and expansions. I don’t expect you to reveal any secrets, but would you anticipate additional expansions down the road? I would imagine at some point every bird on the planet will already be included.
Thanks Dave! I appreciate you asking, and our plan is to publish 1 expansion for every continent (which leaves us with 3 expansions to publish, probably spread over the next 5 years). We won’t get close to including every bird–there are over 10,000 species worldwide–but we’ll have a reasonable number, and they’ll all fit in the Nesting Box. :)
I ordered a nesting box almost a full year ago I. The US and I have not received it. I see that Champion orders are filled first and I fear I will never receive it. Please advise
I’m sorry to hear that, Anita. I see that you ordered Wingspan Asia from Stonemaier Games, but I don’t see an order from your email for a Nesting Box. If you have an order confirmation, please forward it to contact@stonemaier.com and we’ll look into it right away.
Going through some old texts and I think I just signed up to be notified of the next round of nesting boxes? The text was 11/11/22. So, what stage are the nesting boxes in right now?? My daughter and SIL would still really like one.
Thanks Anita! That’s interesting, as we don’t use text notifications for product launches (only email). Either way, the Nesting Box is currently being reprinted again and should be in stock in a few months. I’d recommend signing up for a back in stock request with your email here: https://store.stonemaiergames.com/products/wingspan-nesting-box
Just saw this is sold out. I was dragging my feet purchasing it, and waited too long…
Any chance there will be another printing in the future?
Absolutely! We’re working on another printing now, and it should arrive in 4-5 months. Make sure to enter your email on our webstore for a back-in-stock notification.
Amazing! Looking forward to it!
Huh- I don’t see it either. I can’t see my credit card charges at this time. I will have to do some further research. I guess I would be waiting a long time for a nesting box if I never ordered one.
I’m so sorry… I didn’t notice the expandable information areas. All of my questions have been answered. Please disregard.
I didn’t see these questions, so I hope they haven’t already been answered. I glanced through the description and didn’t see these specifications:
Will the nesting box accommodate sleeved cards? Will it hold the wooden birdhouse/feeder as well as the neoprene play mats? Is there enough space to accommodate future expansions?
Thanks!
Hi everyone – I have a nesting box on backorder in the Australian store and was wondering when the next batch are due to be released. I ordered in March for the next print after March.
I’ll look into this right away, as I think the third printing is already shipping for Australia.
I now have confirmation from Aetherworks that this is an import error within Shopify (possibly just for your order? They’re looking to see if it impacted any other orders), but they’re aware of it now and will ship your order today or tomorrow. I’m sorry for the delay!
Hi Jamey – thank you so much for checking. i just got a shipment notice.
Just as an FYI: I ordered the Nesting Box in late February, and got confirmation today that it’s shipped (I’m also in Australia). Setting aside Jamey’s comments, I would expect you to get a similar confirmation any day now; I’d certainly be escalating if you don’t get that confirmation by Friday.
Received my Nesting Box about two weeks ago! I finally filled it with the base game and all three expansions. Plenty of room, I left some obsolete things (base rulebook, base round end reference, a few base player boards etc.) in the box. But, overall I am very pleased! Great work Stonemaier.
One question, the Nesting Box comes with a birdfeeder, is it any different from the original? Sturdier cardboard or just a backup?
Thank you! The birdfeeder is just a backup, as many people said their original birdfeeder has worn out. We made tiny adjustments to it for durability and easier assembly.
Will copies be available for purchase at Gencon?
3rd print nesting box is arriving a month earlier than planned?
Yes, they’re currently shipping to preorder customers.
How should we give it to check in on a tracking number?
When your order ships, you’ll get a tracking number. All Nesting Box preorders should ship by mid-July. Thanks! If you haven’t received a tracking number by then, please share your order number with us so we can look into it.
got mine this morning! I’ve already put all the expansions I own in it. Now to decide which expansion to buy next!
I just got my Nesting Box the other day and finally organized the original game and expansions into it. The only question I have is where are the duet mode tokens supposed to go? They don’t fit in main big tray with the color cubes. Right now I stuck them in one of the trays where you put the food and the eggs, but if I ever had another player I would want that tray to separate food and eggs for them. Thank you!
I keep mine in 1 of the 3 slots for eggs (the 3 identical trays), though they can also be placed in the bottom layer.
My wife couldn’t understand why i wanted this, when the game and expansions came in their own boxes. Finally arrived yesterday and I showed it to my wife. As a woman who loves organization and artwork, she absolutely adores the Nesting Box. Has dedicated space for everything released so far (with plenty of room for future expansions). 10/10.
Thank you so much! We put a lot of thought into this so we can serve Wingspan fans who want the box as best we can. :)
Hi Jamey,
Any chance we’ll get an all-inclusive rulebook for Wingspan like Tapestry?
We have one! It the Wingspan Asia rulebook.
The Asia rule book doesn’t have any of the nectar rules though.
That’s true. We didn’t want to confuse people whose only context for Wingspan is Wingspan Asia, which doesn’t feature nectar.
is there a way to get extras of the blue or purple boxes for storing cards. i own nesting box myself and love it but bought base game and oceania expansion as birthday gift and that contains only 1 box total which is not enough storage space. thanks for any assistance or suggestion as they are NOT available anywhere online
Thanks for your question! The European Expansion also includes a full card tray, and we’ll likely include another one in a future expansion.
Why can’t I order the box in Poland?
Because you’re looking at the wrong webstore. Please visit our Europe webstore, from which we ship to Poland from the UK: https://europe.stonemaiergames.com/products/wingspan-nesting-box?_pos=1&_psq=nesting&_ss=e&_v=1.0
Hello, can i get the insert from Laserox in the box?
Probably! I’d suggest asking Laserox–I’ve never used their insert.
I’m so confused. I *think* the nesting box is just storage – but – all the unboxing videos have the Asian expansion inside.
The first print run of the Nesting Box was released at the same time as Wingspan Asia, but subsequent printings of the Nesting Box do not include Wingspan Asia.
Can I store the Nesting Box vertically?
If you want to! It will store in any direction.
Quietly sobs, but thanks for the quick response.
What was the order cutoff date for the second printing? I ordered direct from Stonemaier Aus on Jan 5th, so will I have to wait until August?
The second printing was sold out in November. You’ve preordered the third printing, which we started making based on preorders received in January (and extras for those who ordered later). We’re in production, and we’re on track to ship to you in August.
I’m currently waiting on a Nesting Box I pre-ordered from 401 Games in Ontario, Canada. I pre-ordered in January. Any guess on which printing (2nd or 3rd) that 401 Games is waiting to fulfill the order?
They are a pretty big store in Canada, so I was just guessing you’d be familiar with their order. Thanks!
That’s definitely the third printing (retailers weren’t able to order previous printings), so it should arrive in August.
Oh, wow. Were the 1st and 2nd printings that long to wait for? I remember trying to order and it going out of stock within a short time, and then people getting their boxes not long after. If the third shipping is taking almost a year to be sent out, what is causing the difference?
Here is an article that goes into detail (and it’s 7 months, not a year): https://stonemaiergames.com/the-nesting-box-preorder-experiment/
Will the third printing have the background imagery on the lid corrected to match the bottom half?
All printings of the nesting box have lids that match the bottom half. There’s always a small margin of error (1-2mm) when pairing top and bottom boxes.
Hello, I’m wondering when the 2nd print will be shipping to EU (Sweden). I haven’t gotten any sort of updates since November.
Questor: Thank you for your note. I’ve escalated this to our customer service team, as your order should have shipped by now. If you have questions about your orders in the future, just send your order number to order@stonemaier.com and we’ll reply right away.
I’m pretty sure I’ve preordered the 3rd generation nesting box. I can’t seem to find any notice other than one telling me it will ship mid-August 23. Is there a way to make sure I’ve ordered?
Thanks for asking, Kathy! I searched for your email on our webstore and did not find any orders.
Thanks for checking. Ordered it now.
Fellow Wingspanners – curious to hear others’ advice on whether it is best to mix all the bird cards together, keep them separate, or mix all and have a second separate set of Wingspan Asia when playing that as a standalone (a friend bought me the Asia expansion for Christmas – I had just received the nexting box so have two sets of cards).
For context: I bought Wingspan about 6 months ago and got the nesting box as soon as it came out; these days I usually play 2-player games with all expansions, separated in stacks and randomly drawn with the help of an external application (Ranstax).
Mixing all cards together is definitely a fun experience, and it’s the one I’d recommend for someone who doesn’t have a large amount of cards to handle. It keeps setup simple and play streamlined; if you create different stacks you can make sure to see all birds over the course of X games, or you can shuffle everything together and go for a truly random experience. It’s a flexible and fun method that keeps things simple and chill and, with some organisation, scales well with several expansions.
Keeping stacks separate definitely requires more organisation (as well as more real estate on the table), and takes some of that random element away if you have any Wingspan math nerds at the table. That said, it makes it easier to play with/without select expansions (including setting up standalone Asia games), and it makes larger decks way more manageable. You can choose where to draw on your own or use a management draw companion depending on how structured you want the game to feel.
I would suggest buying an extra Asia only if you travel frequently and/or like to keep all cards shuffled together (especially as more expansions are added) – otherwise separating it shouldn’t be too much of a hassle. Yours is honestly the best case scenario! You can shuffle one Asia in AND keep the other for standalone games or travel – I have a very similar arrangement and so far it’s been working great.
Thanks Giulia – fantastic advice and I’m going to take the shuffle advice with the second set for WSA games.
Now to find a decent card shuffle machine…
Cheers
Gary
great suggestions. our group plays with everything mixed and requires a full reset every 4-6 games depending on the number of players.
as for travel, with my bf we have chosen for space and design concerns to edit out all the expansions except the base game and asia expansion and boil it down to 1 box (the base game box) and this works quite well
Hi,
I was under the impression that our order was for the second printing, but we still haven’t received a shipping email. Just wondering if it’s still in the works for Canada fulfillment.
Hi Sean! The 2nd printing in Canada is shipping out now. Most of them went out on Friday, but some (like yours) will go out on Monday. If you don’t get a tracking email by Tuesday, please email us we’ll track it down! contact@stonemaier.com is a the best way to get ahold of us via email.
Is the 2nd print shipping to the US expected by the end of this month (March)? Thanks in advance!
Hi Steven! I just looked up your order, and your Nesting Box preorder is for the 3rd printing. We’re expecting to have those shipped out in Q3 of 2023, but you can check for updates on that timeline on the chart on this page:
https://stonemaiergames.com/e-newsletter/
If you have further questions pertaining to your specific order, feel free to send an email to contact@stonemaier.com.
Good day to you! Curious about the 2nd print for Taiwan. Do you have an ETA? Thank you very much.
Andrew, I’m showing that your order already shipped. I’ll ask customer service to reach out to you about that.
Hi there,
Just checking in about the 2nd print for New Zealand. I preordered on 28th November 2022. Can we get an ETA pretty please? 😊
Hi Lui! Your Nesting Box has shipped! I’ve emailed your tracking info to you.
🤯 awesome thank you
Quick question, are there any plans to release translated versions of the nesting box? I know the box itself is language independent, as most boxes are, but it would be nice if the box was able to match the content, language wise.
We only make English-language products, but feel free to ask the localization partner for your preferred language!
Hi there, still waiting on the nesting box second reprint to be shipped for a New Zealand Delivery. Do you have an ETA? Thank you.
Hi Tess! I’ve sent you an email with your tracking info. Your Nesting Box has shipped! :)
Is there an ETA for shipment of the 2nd print to Canada?
It’s very close, and I appreciate your patience. It’s taking a little extra time because we’re switching fulfillment centers in Canada.
i have all 4 sets of cards. in future expansions, it’d be nice if it included the plastic card tray for storing the new cards. thanks.
The Nesting Box does include a plastic card tray, along with a sidebar for storing cards and space in the bottom level for storing additional card trays (i.e., those that we included in Wingspan and Wingspan European).
Hi, wondering if the nesting box is limited production? Is there a end production date in mind?
We’re currently in production for the third printing, so it is finite. If we sell out and there’s enough demand for a fourth printing, we’ll make it.
Hi there. Waiting on a 2nd print run order in NZ – any idea of an ETA?
I’ll look into it–you should get an email from us about this soon.
Hi… still waiting for that email. Not wanting to harass you, just excited about the box!
Hmm…we sent it a few days ago. I’ll resend it. Thanks!
I got mine in NZ today (ordered on 10/11/22).
Hello, i was wonderring how many extentions are left to be available, in wich order and around wich year the game would be whole? How many objectives could be added, any new egg color? Dice? Player cubes? Food token?
For the bonus cards ore newly … whould it be some promotionnal cards winnable or something else?
Thanks in advence and keep it up. Thos game is awesome.
The plan is for 3 more expansions (1 each for the remaining continents). We don’t know the exact components for those expansions, just that they’ll include more bird cards and likely more bonus cards and goal tiles. The Nesting Box is designed to be modular to fit components we haven’t predicted.
I’m would like to pre-order the Nesting Box, but it is likely I’ll be moving before August. Are shipping addresses verified before the shipment is processed?
Absolutely! Thanks for checking.
Any word on when 2nd print orders will ship for non-US customers? Specifically asking for Australia.
Hi Luke! We’re still waiting on this shipment to arrive in Australia. I’ll send another update email in a few days, but this shipment should arrive in Australia in February. As soon as they arrive, they’ll begin shipping to customers. Thanks for your patience!
I have the same question, from Canada.
An update regarding fulfilment for Canadian orders would also be appreciated, thanks! (Second-print order placed November 9th)
Got mine in Sydney today
Now, we have the Nesting Box. Two thumbs up! Three more expansions coming. Once the Wingspan is “complete,” is there a plan for making a complete rulebook (all rulebooks into one book) like you did with Scythe? It would make sense to have one rulebook for the core and all its expansions for the “big box.” It just look right with it. Rather than have a whole bunch of rulebooks in the big box — it’s just too messy.
Steve: Wingspan Asia essentially has this, though we didn’t go into full details about how nectar works in it. I would say it’s a little too early to say there is a “plan” for it, as there’s still a good 5 years before all other expansions are released, but yes, I think it’s likely after that time we’ll release a complete rulebook.
Received my nesting box today. It is HUGE! But really high quality, with plenty of space for everything. Looking forward to spending time later getting base + Europe + Oceania + Asia all orgainsed inside it!!
For those who have the nesting box, will there be box-less options for future expansions? Maybe there could be a sturdy envelope option? I still have the boxes from previous expansions because I can’t bring myself to throw them away, but I also don’t want to keep collecting more.
We’re always looking for eco-friendly ways to package expansions, particularly when the boxes are likely to be disposed. It depends heavily on the contents of those expansions, as we need to ensure that they can be securely packed and shipped (both in terms of freight and fulfillment) so they end up at your door in perfect condition. Plus, such packaging would only apply to products we sell directly, not via retail.
It worries me a bit, that you always say that it depends on the components in the addirional expansions. I thought you already know how the expansions will look like, when you inteoduced the Nesting box. If you do not know how they’ll look like, how do you know they’d fit in there?
Here’s the related question that’s been in the FAQ for several months:
Can you guarantee the Nesting Box is big enough to hold all future content for Wingspan?
This box is designed for all past, present, and future, though future expansions haven’t been designed yet, and we’ve included plenty of modular space for the future (and for third-party accessories). We can’t 100% guarantee that everything we ever make for Wingspan will fit inside, but we genuinely don’t foresee any future expansions not fitting in this box.
Hi, I want to ask you if there is a place for the third set of dice (two normal ones and one for Oceania). Also, where do the black and white duel tokens belong? Thank you.
As for the extra dice, you’ll only use them in Flock mode, so I just store mine in the bottom layer. For the duet tokens, I store mine in one of the long egg slots in one of the 3 identical trays.
I put my email on the notify when in stock list on the second day after the Nesting Box was released the first time. I’ve never received any notice, and today I learn that the second printing is shipping this month, and the third printing won’t start for months. What happened? When was the second printing available?
Todd: I looked up your email and do not see it in the place you’re indicating (nor do I see it on the back-in-stock list for the third printing). The second printing was very small and was only briefly available in mid-November. It isn’t accurate that the third printing won’t start for months–it will actually enter production in 1-2 weeks. If you want the Nesting Box, now is the time to get it–the third print run is infinite until we start production, and then it is finite like the previous print runs.
Please read this for more details about the printings: https://stonemaiergames.com/it-isnt-too-late/
Just adding a +1 here too. I also signed up for the second printing notification, I didn’t get one that I can see. Was a little confused when I saw the third printing notification. Not a problem, got my order in but just wanted to add that it happened to me as well.
Thanks for a quick reply. I’m not sure what happened with the signup for notice, but no matter. I’ll put in an order for the third printing. You’re right that I misworded my comment about time–it isn’t production but delivery that is likely several months away–mid-2023, correct? We’ll just have to be patient. I shouldn’t have delayed a couple of hours when I received the first-printing email in November! Happy New Year to you.
Thanks Todd! That’s correct, production and freight shipping will take 5-6 months, so we’re looking at fulfillment to customers in the late summer this year.
Noticed that a new preorder wave has started. Wanted to get one, but I can’t seem to select Paypal. Is this normal?
It is. Paypal doesn’t allow publishers to accept payments on their platform if the product won’t be shipped within the next 30 days.
Oh ok, that’s unfortunate. Don’t have a credit card, so I’ll have to wait until the item is in stock.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Out of stock request alert link is broken!
When you preorder are you charged immediately or when it ships?
For the upcoming Nesting Box preorder, you’re charged when you place the preorder, as you’re funding the print run itself.
When in January will the preorder open and how long will it be open for? I’m going on vacation next week and want to know if I need to keep an eye out for the pre order, or if it will still be open when I get back.
It’ll open on January 4, and it won’t close at all (this is a traditional preorder with no limit–we haven’t started production yet).
You mention 4 future expansion kits. When was this written? How many total expansion kits are planned? Thank you!
Andy: It’s just been something we’ve said since the beginning, that the hope is to cover 1 continent per expansion (with the core game covering North America). So that’s 6 total expansions.
Thank you Jamey! Just need to get one of those Nesting Boxes now….
How long do you expect the print run to take? And do you plan on making it available in GTS for retailers?
Print runs typically take 5-6 months for production and freight shipping. GTS will have the ability to preorder some copies of the Nesting Box to sell to retailers.
And when will the 5-6 month ‘Print Run’ be initiated?
In a week or so, after we have the initial wave of preorders.
Will future expansions have another bird tray like the base game and Europe had? At the moment, with all expansions, so have completely filled these two trays. I do not currently have the nesting box, but am considering buying it at this point, especially if future expansions will not have said tray.
Cooper: I think it’s very likely that a future expansion will include another bird tray. There’s also a deeper version of the bird tray included in the Nesting Box (along with a vertical slot to store cards).
You ever take a day off Jamey? :P
Merry Christmas!
Only if I don’t have internet access! Though those rare days are the best for game design. :) Merry Christmas!
Hi folks,
is there any chance to get the nesting box at a retailer in Germany or at least EU?
Best regards and happy hollidays!
Dietmar
Yes, it’s been available in our European webstore twice now. Please sign up for a back in stock notification there.
Thanks!
Oh, just learned that your European store is in the UK. That is no EU anymore and hence will cost a bunch of custom fee. Is there any chance to get it from within the EU or Germany?
If you’re in the European Union, we ship DDP (delivery duty prepaid) so you don’t incur charges upon delivery (our fulfillment center in that region is Spiral Galaxy in the UK). To accomplish this, we charge VAT at checkout if you’re shipping to an EU country. You’ll see the total VAT cost listed under “taxes” at checkout. If you live in the EU, you can order from the Stonemaier Games webstore with confidence that the price you pay us is the full amount you’ll pay for the product(s); the VAT paid is no different than ordering from any online store in the EU.
This same method of charging sales tax at checkout is used for for other regions as well, including the US and UK.
cool! thanks!
Is there a waitlist for the Nesting Box? Is there a way to preorder for the next go around?
Joanna: We’ve sold out of all Nesting Boxes we’ve already produced, but you can enter your email here to sign up for a back-in-stock notification for the next preorder: https://store.stonemaiergames.com/products/wingspan-nesting-box
Is there a guide anywhere that you recommend for storage of up to the most current expansion?
I’d recommend using the guide on the inside of the box lid. It doesn’t show where to put the duet tokens, but I would suggest putting them in one of the egg slots.
Actually, I found it easier to put the duo tokens where the dice go, and just put the dice in the bird feeder for storage. It now fits perfectly.
I found it difficult, but managed, to store both feeders in the nesting box assembled.
I’ve ordered the Nesting box from the Australian site (to be sent to New Zealand). I ordered it within minutes of orders opening. I can see that is hasn’t been sent yet – is there any word on when it will?
Thank you for letting us know about this, Richard! It does look like the Nesting Box part of your order was overlooked. I’ll let our fulfillment center know about this and we’ll get it shipped ASAP.
For the other expansions, will there be an option to purchase just the box contents (cards, boards, resource tokens) without the exterior box? Since I got the nesting box, which is amazingly beautiful but also frankly huge, I kind of want to get all the other expansions but without the extra boxes, if that makes sense?
Kristine: We’re always looking for eco-friendly ways to package our products, so that’s entirely possible. We just need to make sure we can protect the contents before they get to you, so it really depends on the components in the expansions.
Is this box available for Japanese players to purchase? I did not see your Japanese Partner Arclight Games in the description.
The box is language-independent, so it can be preordered from our Australia/Asia store here: https://aus.stonemaiergames.com/products/wingspan-nesting-box
Hello! I can see that the Nesting Box is currently available for preorder in Australia. Is this for the January print round?
This is for the second printing, the one we started a few months ago and should arrive in early 2023.
Will there at some point be possible to get only the separator cards (the ones with the continents written on them) without the nesting box? I’m not planning on getting the nesting box but those cards look super nice and would be convenient to have…
I appreciate you asking, but they aren’t an ala carte component at this time. We plan to continue to offer them in the Nesting Box.
I finished sleeving and am almost fished printing new pieces (old ones were not optimal) for a revised organizer, but sadly, my deluxe play mats that I got when Oceania came out (from Lizard den in the UK) will not fit in the box. They are nice thick playmats (probably double the SM base game ones we have) but are wider than the box……I am left with the choice of storing them separately which I have done since buying them or replacing them with the SM equivalent….but at a cost. I wanted to use the nesting box to store everything. I did reach out to lizard den about possibly cutting them but I don’t know if that will work or not.
I guess the good news is that most of my organizer remains perfect and I redesigned and reprinted the card holder that goes box to table and it will easily hold all the cards in it and has room for at least 150 or so more (sleeved). I do like the nesting box (didn’t need the inserts) but I wish my Oceania mats would fit it!
Any idea when the Nesting boxes will be available to buy again? or at least pre-order… gutted I missed out!
We’re aiming the accept preorders before we begin production on the third printing in early January. :)
Hey, sorry if it has been previously asked in the comments, didn’t see, when will this be shipped in europe ? Placed my pre-order 20 days ago and still no notifications, will it be shipped before xmas ?
Thanks for your patience! Our expectation of fulfillment centers is they ship all preorders in November.
Jamey, I just got my nesting box today. I love it. The quality of the box and the colorful birds are amazing. I have been sorting, and packing it for hours.There is so much extra room for more expansions.
Thanks so much for everything!!
I thought I bought the original nesting box with the Asia expansion, but just noticed that the box says “does not contain any gameplay content.” I haven’t opened it since it’s a gift. It is 01857 of the first printing. Are the Asia cards in there? Sorry if this is a duplicate question. I can’t read all the comments.
Yes, the original Nesting Box has Wingspan Asia inside the box. :)
I have the base now and all three expansions in the nesting box. It all organized nicely but I don’t see an obvious place to store the duet pieces. Was there a thought on those?
I put mine in one of the long slots of the 3 identical trays.
I had too many eggs. But as long as it doesn’t really matter, I used one of the left over square boxes. But I’m the kid who put the stickers on his toys as instructed. 🤓 Thanks for releasing me from the prison I made for myself.
Is the box designed to hold two bird feeders? It looks like in flock mode each group would have their own bird feeder, and the box comes with a second one, but I’m not seeing how two would fit in the box.
The birdfeeder in Wingspan Asia is just a board–it isn’t 3D. You don’t need two 3D birdfeeders.
When I clicked on the link for the notification request, there was an error message. I missed the first preorder and thought I signed up for the second one but did not receive an email. How do I request a notification for the next print run?
I’m not sure why there’s an error, Kim, but I’ll manually add your email to the notification list.
I would like to give you a different email address. How can I do that?
I also did not receive an email. Im fairly annoyed I missed this.
You haven’t missed the Nesting Box—we will start a new print run in January, and we’ll accept preorders before then (early Jan).
I viewed the media above but I am curious from other users what they found to be the best video on reboxing the Nesting Box…Gonna work on this over the weekend….Thanks!
@Jamey I am following up about the swift start cards I commented on the forum for replacement but I haven’t heard anything I was wondering if you got it or if I didn’t do it correctly?
If you submitted it, my replacement parts person received it and will reply when they’re available (they focus first on urgent requests on the days that they work).
That’s the thing is I don’t know if I did correctly. Any way I can check on that?
You probably should have received an automated receipt confirmation. Can you just email me about this? I feel like we’re trying to solve a private request in a public forum. I need to know your email address and region so I can contact the right helper to look this up. I’m at jamey@stonemaiergames.com
How is it that the Australian store has 50% more expensive shipping to Singapore than from the previous US store??
While I don’t think that’s actually true at every weight, that’s simply the rate that Aetherworks gave us (with a subsidy from us).
What is the height of the double-sided rubber playmate that you sell as an accessory?
Wondering if there is room to store a few of them along with the boards and rule books in the the top section of the nesting box.
Thanks!
They’re a few millimeters. See the second bullet point on the above page: “top layer (removable cardboard tray): holds 7 rubber playmats (laid flat), 12 folded cardboard player mats, rulebooks, goal mats”
Ah, thank you very much!
Just got mine in the mail! Squeeee! Woohoo! #5755 of 10000. So blessed! Thank you Jamie! Next up, the new Tapestry expansion!
It looks like the nesting box sort of requires the original two plastic card trays. I’m pretty sure I tossed those when I assembled my old wooden Wingspan organizer. Now that I have the nesting box is it possible to replace the vanilla and European card trays?
They aren’t required, but those trays will be helpful as the card pool increases. While we don’t sell the card trays by themselves for environmental reasons, we will include a vanilla tray in one of the three remaining expansions.
I didn’t know there were three more expansions! 🎉 Is the current plan to have them fit in the nesting box?
Nevermind, just read the expansions part up above :)
You’re one step ahead of me, Ian! :)
Thanks! Follow up question: do you sleep?! I’m always blown away by the speed of your replies, any time of day!
I do! Right about now. :)
Do you know a time line on the other expansion’s just got my box today and im ecstatic to fill it !!
Jamey, for the people who have an older version of the base game wingspan is there anyway to purchase the 10 cards from the swift start?
Shawn: Sorry, I missed your comment before. The other 3 expansions will likely be released in 2024, 2026, and 2028.
Romain: We can probably help out with that if you request the option to purchase it on our replacement parts form: https://stonemaiergames.com/about/replacement-parts/
Hey Jamey, just wanted to say thanks for this great big box! I love having it all in one spot and even the consideration for storing stuff you might not use ever or only every once in a while is a great addition. I wanted to say thanks for the great packaging. FedEx put a big ol’ gash in the side of the box, but it didn’t even ding the actual Nesting Box. Well done!
Thanks Jeff! I’m glad the box arrived in good condition. That was a top priority for the prepackaging. :)
Hi Jamey, I ordered the Nesting Box as a Stonemaier Champion and got a notification that my shipping label was printed last Monday (11/7). I checked the status today and it still hasn’t gotten to Fedex yet. Is that to be expected or is it a bit of an outlier?
Kevin: From what we’re seeing, a bunch of labels were printed and applied, but the couriers have been slow to pick up packages (perhaps due to weather). You should see movement on it soon.
There’s more info in this update: https://mailchi.mp/1dbb83ed8d0a/sgk2jngrwe-2988726
Ah okay, I haven’t gotten that email yet, but thank you for the quick update! I’ll keep an eye on the tracking link.
During the 1st run, I also tried the “See all purchase options” (per above) and was almost done trying to purchase through the Aus store, and while the option to deliver to the US was selectable, the system notified me that I could not have it delivered to my address in the states.
I tried it again, and it’s the same result. I’m not allowed to make use of the other purchase options.
Can something be done to ensure true Champion members can have their proper chance to make purchases without having to resort to scalpers? Like increase your pre-order volume so you don’t come up short?
We do not ship from Australia/NZ to the US. The Australia/NZ store is for people in Australia/NZ.
Yes, as noted in the article I linked to, we will open a preorder before we begin production for the third printing.
Please do not resort to scalpers; in that same way, please do not promote scalpers. I have removed the promotional eBay links from your comments.
You’re welcome to continue to chat about this topic, but please do so after carefully reading these two blog posts, both of which address your concerns and how we’re improving our systems for the future:
https://stonemaiergames.com/the-great-nesting-box-debate/
https://stonemaiergames.com/it-isnt-too-late/
Oh, so sorry about sharing inappropriate links. I was only meaning to let you know how outrageous people are getting with buying and reselling.
I also didn’t know how many reprints you were doing, so it’s a relief to see that you are not limiting the Nesting Box (I missed out to my everlasting regret on a deluxe edition of Tsuro from Calliope on Kickstarter, for instance, being that I was a WizKids promotional envoy back in the day).
Also, thank you very much for verifying my restock notification! I’m glad it worked this time.
Hey, Jamey. I am a Champion who’s purchased many games for my son and I to enjoy. Wingspan is one of the main ones for us, and we have friends that share interest in the game nearby.
I don’t mind when something sells out, but what irks me to no end is that I got notification that the nesting box was on sale and it was then sold out in under 8 hours!
The only way I can now find the nesting box with Asia is on eBay, but they are obviously overpriced. This is all because allowing 2 boxes per person took away my chance to purchase for our family in favor of scalpers buying them up to auction them off on eBay and rake in USD off of those of us who were undercut by them.
I’m a Champion and I don’t feel at all like I have any advantage here in getting bonus material I was promised that I would be notified in time to purchase.
Now, the 2nd run is sold out yet AGAIN in the US!!! And your stores don’t allow for me to purchase from Aus. or UK. That’s really unfair.
I am considering going for an auction/higher purchase instead of buying from you this time because you’re continually sold out. I can’t have a guaranteed order in the US, so what else can I do?
Jonathan: We contacted everyone who signed up for a back-in-stock notification for the Nesting Box. I checked Mailchimp, and you are definitely an active subscriber, but it appears that you didn’t sign up for a back-in-stock notification until today. That’s why you didn’t get the notification I sent last week.
As detailed in this post, sometime in the next month or so we will open a preorder for the third printing before we start production. We’ll be in touch then: https://stonemaiergames.com/it-isnt-too-late/
Thanks, Jamey.
Yes, after I posted my comment above, I did go and click for notification of next pre-order for the non-Asia expansion nesting box.
However, I did sign up for notification from the 1st printing that sold out same day, so there must be a glitch there somewhere in the system.
I don’t know why you don’t have a record of it, but I saw a comment below that someone had the same thing happen to them.
I will definitely be watching out for the 3rd printing and try again.
Hello. Any idea when European (UK) non-champion orders will arrive? It sounds like some people already have theirs so would be good to understand timeframes (ORDER #E7482)
Hi, I was really looking forward to buying a Nesting Box and signed up to get notifications when it dropped but never received the notification. Kinda bummed to have missed out. Will the Nesting Box receive a reprint.
Pre order for the nesting box is live now. That is the nesting box without Asia expansion. You will need to make a separate order as the nesting box is pre packaged.
Boxes still going out to champions over this next week?
It depends on your region, but in the US in particularly they still have thousands of orders to ship, including Champion orders.
Gotcha! Yeh U.S champion here, appreciate the response.
#6537 delivered the same day I moved into my new apartment! Thank you for the apartment warming gift! 😁
Hey Jamey—nesting box arrived! Proud owner of #7401. :)
Apologies, because I know I’ve seen you answer this question before, but I can’t for the life of me easily find an instance of you doing it… is there any kind of suggested layout breakdown for the final iteration on here? I know there’s the recommended layout tracked in the prototype progression, but I’m wondering if there’s any sort of “official” storage methodology to reference (whether it’s a PDF, or a nested page somewhere under the Wingspan header) when consolidation all my Wingspan content. And thanks again for the gorgeous product!
Thanks Matthew! Check out the inside of the box lid for our suggested guide of where to put things, but the box is completely modular–people in the Wingspan Facebook group are already suggesting some other options. :)
Hey Jamey!
I received my nesting box and love it! I also love the green option of getting the game in the nesting box rather than a separate box. Is there any thoughts for future expansions to just send the game pieces in a shipping box for a greener option moving forward for those with the nesting box?
Thanks!
Thanks Tim! We’re definitely always looking to pack expansions in ways that are the most eco-friendly. On this week’s livecast, I talked about using varnished boxes instead of standard coatings (which include plastic) so the boxes can be recycled.
Yeah, now that I have my Nesting Box (thank you!), I’m all for seeing an option to receive future expansions in plain, recyclable cardboard shipping boxes. Don’t even need any printing or artwork, since I like buying those prints separately.
Hey Jamie, I got my Nesting Box, everything looks beautiful and awesome!! However, I did not get the 16 action cubes (8 in each color) from the Asian expansion :(. Anywhere you can help me out?
I’m sorry about that missing white and black cubes in your copy, Kenny. If you fill out the replacement parts form, we’ll get them to you right away: https://stonemaiergames.com/about/replacement-parts/
Did you check the 2 little baggies with the black and white yin and Yang pieces they are in it
Hey Jamey! Thanks for the responsiveness. So just to clarify, the first few weeks will be for Champion pre-orders, followed by non-Champion pre-orders, correct? Suuuuuper excited for the Nesting Box/Asia to arrive!
(PS, just played Tuscany for the first time and loved it)
Thanks for your excitement! That timeline is correct. I’m hoping that most Champion orders will ship this week, though next week will be necessary for some of them, with non-Champion orders likely starting next week.
Hi Jamey, do you mind if I ask: What is the weight difference between the Nesting boxes with Asia vs without it? I ask because I just checked the pricing on the Canadian store and shipping is $25 (+taxes) cheaper than what I paid, which seems quite steep (One said heavy, the other was extra heavy). I’m not upset, but I actually paid CAD $20 more than if I would have ordered Asia separately from my usual store and ordered the Nesting Box separately (approx $165 vs approx $145). Thanks!
Shawn: You’re correct about those shipping costs. The Nesting Box is prepackaged and must ship by itself; if other items are added to the order, we have to pay the fulfillment center a fee to divide the order and send two packages.
@Jamey Stegmaier: First, your responsiveness to customers is the best I’ve ever seen. Thank you so much for your honesty and attention.
I have a question about the order I placed on the crazy release day for the first printing of the Nesting box. I placed my order along with Europe and Oceania expansions and it looks like everything went fine. However, I just received my order and there’s no Europe and Oceania – just the Nesting Box. I only have one order number, so I assumed they were coming together? Order #172528
Thanks Mike! The Nesting Box is prepacked, so nothing can be combined with it. Any other items will show up in a separate package (hopefully in a few days).
Does the white tray with the 2 sections come in the nesting box or just wingspan asia.
Just Wingspan Asia; the Nesting Box has other trays to hold eggs and food.
@Jamey I pretty much sleeved all of the cards including automa, bonus, end of round cards and it seems like it’s going to be super tight on the right side of the box so how are future expansions supposed to fit?
That’s just one of five places for cards in the Nesting Box. Bonus and Automa cards go in the two slots near the birdfeeder, there’s a deep card tray included included in the second layer, and if you kept your card trays from Wingspan and Wingspan European, cards go in them in the bottom layer.
In the 2 slots by the bird feeder I have put the ying and yong 30 pieces then where would those pieces go?
The box is modular–you can figure out where the tokens fit best for you. They can go in the bottom layer or they can go in one of the egg slots in the 3 identical trays.
I was just curious if the shipping order has any effect on the box number printing you get? Were they sent out in order or at random? (from US fullfillment center)
It’s completely random. The logistics of matching each order to each box would take months; plus, orders aren’t shipped in the order they’re received (fulfillment centers ship in optimized batches to Champions first, then non-Champions).
Ok! I received my 2nd order which shipped after my 1st and wasn’t sure if the 1st order would have a lower number since it shipped first. (I want to keep the lower # box and give my son the higher #, silly I know) Thanks for the quick reply and an awesome game!
First off, I just want to say how much enjoyment Wingspan has given my family – thank you so much for that. I’ve been a Champion for a while and while I have purchased other games from you, Wingspan is our favorite.
I just opened my Nesting Box and put everything together. I do really love it – it’s aesthetically pleasing and fits everything pretty well. I do have a question, however. I have a Bird Feeder from the original game – and was excited that this box gives me a second one, especially since it looks like you may need (or at least want) two for the Flocks gameplay. But I could not for the life of me figure out how to fit that second Bird Feeder into the Nesting Box. I had actually snapped it out to put it together, but then I ended cup carefully stuffing the parts back into their cutouts and just putting the two flat rectangles of card stock containing the pieces back into the Nesting Box the way they came.
Do you – or does anyone – have a suggestion on how to manage that second bird feeder? I doubt it will hold up to being taken apart each time it’s used.
This small issue does not take away from how much I love the Nesting Box, though.
Thanks for your comment, Toni! As for the bird feeder, it’s a replacement for the original, as many people have reported that theirs has worn down. I would suggest assembling it, adding a touch of glue to the base, and never taking it apart.
I received mine.. it looks beautiful only thing I wish the bald eagle would have been on top of the box or on the box lol 😂
Jamey,
I too am wondering about how to store the second bird feeder. You mention it as a replacement for the first one but two are needed for flock mode . . .
Wingspan Asia includes a second feeder that’s just a flat board–can you use that?
Ahhh I see, that makes lots of sense. Takes up less space. Hadn’t gone through all of the Asia stuff yet so I hadn’t seen it. Thanks Jamey!
Hopefully it’s in there…because we included the 3D birdfeeder in the Nesting Box, it’s possible that we removed the flat birdfeeder board from the first printing (the one that contains Wingspan Asia). Even in that case, you could just have one flat birdfeeder and the original 3D, though.
It’s definitely in there, thank you.
I pre-ordered from CA. I’m seeing some CA folks are getting notifications for deliveries that have been shipped to them. All of them picked FedEx. I picked US Heavy.
I became a champion seconds before I pre-ordered. I got the champions discount. Any way I can check if my champion status is known to carrier/fulfillment center for shipping? I understand that packages for champions will ship first.
I actually don’t mind waiting in general but this time I’m headed out for a long trip on Nov 21st and would love to receive on or before Nov 20th
We have your order, and it’s a Champion order. As noted in the order confirmation, it will take a few weeks for our fulfillment centers to ship all orders (Champions first, then non-Champions).
I also am from CA and had heavy selected as well. But I ended up getting notifications through fedex and were supposed to deliver by yesterday but now delayed it looks like till the 10th
I got my shipping notification today (for the nexting box + included expansion). And for me too while I picked Heavy I got the notification from FedEx. No target delivery date but will an eye on it and if after the 20th will ask neighbors to pick it up :-)
Haven’t received any shipping notification from FedEx for the expansion-only but I think that will happen soon too. It’s the one I’m most worried about as I plan to take that on my travels to give as a gift.
Hi Jamey,
I received my box yesterday, and I noticed that the power text and the cards is a noticeably smaller font than either the previous cards or the sneak peaks we were shown the past few months. Was this an intentional decision (to fit all the words) or a slight printing difference? I’m curious if all the Asia cards look like this, or maybe just the ones that came in the Nesting Box, or maybe just mine! I can read them okay, although it’s a bit more difficult to do so.
Thanks for getting the boxes out so fast! Your responsiveness and concern for your customers is outstanding!
Corey: Thanks for your question. I can say for sure that the sneak peaks I’ve shared are all standard–they’re photos of the real cards in the game–and all copies of Wingspan Asia have the same cards. I took a look at the cards in my original game as compared to my copy of Wingspan Asia, and you’re right that the font is a little smaller.
Thanks for the quick reply. I just looked at the sneak peek pictures again, and I can see now that they have the smaller font, too. I just didn’t notice until I had the card in hand. Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t my eyes that were going!
Lucky you lol mine is supposed to be here today or tomorrow and fedex is taking forever lol 😂
My nesting box arrived today–Boston, MA. I am floored at how fast it came! Thanks again Jamey for a terrific product and such smooth customer experience. Can’t wait to play tonight.
Ooo! Another local gamer! :)
Interesting to hear that you got yours today—I signed up for Champion membership before I bought the nesting box, and I still haven’t gotten a tracking number. I’ll keep on keeping an eye out for it.
Matthew: You won’t get your tracking number until your order ships. We received a huge number of preorders last week, and our fulfillment centers can only physically ship a certain number of packages every day; that’s why we said in your order confirmation email that shipping will take at least a few weeks to cover all customers.
Any Champions in Canada receive shipment notifications yet? Crickets for this Champion here in Ontario…
As noted in the order notification email, it’s going to take at least a few weeks for fulfillment centers to send out orders. They’ve only had 2 business days so far, and they often use those days to sort the orders efficiently so they can optimize the actual shipout portion. You’ll know your order has shipped when you receive a tracking notification. Thanks!
Thanks for the reply, Jamey – much appreciated! I just got excited after reading about orders getting delivered to our friends south of the border :)
Thank you Jamey for being so transparent and helpful over the past month.
The ordering process went exactly as you had promised, and the finished product is exactly what I was hoping it would be.
I realize that this was a very difficult product to bring to a very unpredictable market. I’m so impressed with Stonemaier as a company, that I won’t hesitate to make the most of the Champion Discount, and pick up every product that you release over the next 12 months :)
So excited to see the Nesting box on the front porch this morning! It’s gorgeous and we’re so excited for Asia’s new play modes.
I was curious, I make game organizers and was a little sad to see that the copy of Asia didn’t come in the Asia product box (I also like having boxes to display on my shelf but that’s less important ha!). Would it be possible to get dimensions for that box?
Thanks Zach! I really hope that wasn’t a surprise to you, as we have it noted here on the Nesting Box page (the last bullet point of the components list): “Wingspan Asia (everything but the box–thanks for making an eco-friendly choice! If you want the box art on your wall, buying this print directly and solely supports illustrators Natalia and Ana)”
The dimensions for the Wingspan Asia box are here: https://stonemaiergames.com/games/wingspan/wingspan-asia
Well I guess I’m just bad at reading! Thanks so much for the fast reply and information. Next time I’ll read closer before I ask a question you’ve already answered!
As an aside, I’ve been very impressed by your customer service and transparency reading through these comments and your post about the process.
This might seem like a dumb question – but can it be stored on it’s long side? Or would you advise against it in case the box gets damaged?
Joe: It can indeed! I think it’s probably best stored on the bottom side, but the long side works fine (and fits into a Kallax).
Hi Jamie. My nesting box arrived today. I’m in the UK. Very pleased with it and with the quick delivery. I ordered some mats for wingspan (seperate order) at the dame time and they’ve not even beed dispatched yet (not complaining, just impressed with the speed of delivery for the nesting box).
I do have one small issue with the box, and that is the design on the sides does not match perfectly like it does on the Scythe big box. Was this something unavoidable or is it a printing issue?
Thanks Peter! You’re correct that anything in addition to a Nesting Box will be sent in a separate package (probably a bit later, as the prepackaged Nesting Boxes are very easy to ship, while multi-order items take more time to pack and ship).
Matching separately printed and wrapped tops and bottoms is very tricky, and we got as close as we possibly could.
There were two shipping options when I ordered from CA: Heavy and FedEx. I picked Heavy.
Is there any difference between the two in which ships faster?
Thanks.
S: There isn’t a difference, just your preference as to the courier that delivers best to you (in most cases, there’s very little difference between couriers).
Just received mine this afternoon via FedEx here in Illinois! Packing was impressive and definitely kept the contents safe! Looking forward to unboxing this tonight after work and getting a play through in this weekend! Thank you for the quick shipping.
That’s great, Robert! I’m glad it arrived in mint condition.
THAT was quick! When do we get them in California?!? Shivering with AAAAAn……Tisaaaaaa….Pation !! (Little Rocky Horror for ya!)
Our fulfillment centers have a lot to ship and are working hard to ship everywhere! :) They optimize orders in batches (typically grouping identical orders together for efficiency), and when your order ships in November, you’ll get a tracking notification. Champion orders in each region will ship first.
Super bummed that I missed this. Even though I subscribe to the newsletter and follow SM, I missed that this was available until I saw someone mention it on a different board game group, immediately went to grab one, and it was sold out already.
I’m very much a “I want everything in one box” guy when it comes to expansion content so this is the perfect product. Now I just have to figure out how to get one.
Travis, I’m sorry that we sold out of our 10,000 worldwide premade copies of the Nesting Box faster than expected. It’s not a limited edition, fortunately—if there’s demand for any Stonemaier product, we’ll make more. We have a reprint in the works, and it should be ready in early 2023. It won’t include Wingspan Asia, so it will be cheaper (and I’d recommend getting Wingspan Asia now while it’s on sale and available). Please make sure to sign up for a back-in-stock notification on our webstore.
Any idea how much more we’d end up paying buying the 2 separate products? Signed up to be a champion in large part to preorder the nesting box with expansion…
Fortunately the Champion discount applies to every order, so it will apply to both the Nesting Box by itself and to Wingspan Asia. I don’t know the new Nesting Box price yet, as I’m waiting on the freight shipping cost. We’re going to make the price as appealing as possible without having us lose money when a Champion buys the box.
I got mine this morning! I’m so
Impressed and it was
Packaged so well. Thank you.
There’s a divider for promos…does that mean we can look forward to promos??
We honestly don’t have any in the works, but it seems inevitable that we will someday (like the idea of extinct birds). Plus, you may choose to store the swift-start cards using that divider if you frequently teach the game.
Okay extinct birds?! Yes please. Dodo anyone.
I just ordered the goal mats and the birds to replace the cubes from meeple.com and my box and my brother’s box and my friend’s box all shipped! I’m sooo excited
A little disappointed I showed up a day late, Nov. 3 around 4 and they were all sold out. Still got the Asia expansion and hope that the next batch of the expansion box will be available sooner rather than later. That’s the downside of the email ending up in spam instead of my inbox. Won’t make that mistake again.
Thank you Jamey for giving us this amazing update. I have all the expansions, and yes, I was up early waiting for the pre-order to go live. I think the email notification system was great. I can’t wait to get the Asia expansion that’s included also.
(Seems like my comment didn’t make it due to bad connection, so I’ll try again. Feel free to delete if my previous comment shows up)
First off, thank you for keeping up with all the comments! Must feel like a full-time job at times!
And sorry for giving you more work now, as I have a few questions myself. :)
1st:
Following the conversation we had a few months ago in the comments section, I decided early not to get the package as I wanted the Asia expansion in Swedish. However, I must have missed the info on the pre-order price though. Based on your statements on cost issues, would it make sense for me to buy the package now at reduced price (99 GBP, or 79 GBP with champion, with Asia that I likely won’t use), or will the 2nd printing also have reduced pre-order price?
2nd:
Since the package is not yet sold out in Europe, is there a way to sign up for the 2nd printing already?
3rd:
I reached out to Asmodee Nordics about when we could expect a Swedish localization for Asia, and they told me that they hadn’t even yet considered anything about Wingspan Asia! Is this normal? Surely they must be publishing it eventually? I can’t imagine having to buy an English expansion to my Swedish basegame, that would be… an eyesore. :)
For reals though, recognizing the name of the birds in our native language is a big selling point for my wife and I.
Do you perhaps have any insight to this matter?
Thanks for all the hard work!
Thanks for your questions, Simon. I’ll try to answer them below.
1. We don’t announce prices until the day of the preorder, as they’re subject to change until then. Reprints of the Nesting Box will not include Wingspan Asia, and they will be at a lower price.
2. I’d recommend signing up for a back-in-stock notification on one of our other webstores (there’s no way to do that on the Europe webstore until they sell out, so at least this way you’ll get the notification).
3. I don’t have any insight into that, but you did the right thing in telling them directly that you’re interested in the product.
I’m so glad this nesting box exists to hold all current and future expansions. The only [minor] issue I ever have with the game is that all the boxes in the series are completely different sizes, and it looks like Asia will be continuing that trend. Once my nesting box arrives it’ll look really nice on the shelf below the tv, so I won’t have to worry about the hodgepodge of them all. 👍🏻😁👍🏻
Thanks Robert! That’s partially true, though we try to have one side of the box that is the same length so they actually can align on a shelf. I checked the numbers and confirmed that Wingspan and all three expansions have one side of the box that is 296mm. :)
Super frustrating it seems like it’s gone before you even know if it’s available. I just saw mentions on Facebook today, but I had asked on FB about when it would be available several weeks ago, I was told “early November”. No, I don’t watch every podcast and read every post. I love the game but it’s a bear to store without removing everything from the original packaging or using all the boxes or making your own. Pretty much turns me off about getting Asia or any future expansions.
I play the app 7-8 a week… :(
Sam: When did you find out about the Nesting Box? We started talking about it publicly in early 2021. See here: https://stonemaiergames.com/the-great-nesting-box-debate
Sam, it sounds like storage for the game is important to you. If that’s the case, why wouldn’t you sign up for a preorder launch notification on our website? Also, if storage is important to you now, why wouldn’t it still be important when the first reprint arrives in early January? That’s just two months away.
It wasn’t clear that it was necessary. This the only stone game I own so I don’t frequent the website I am on the main FB page. Maybe not the wingspan one.
I will do that
Yes I knew it existed and I had missed it the first round. When I asked about when it would be available to order you are the one that responded. I didn’t dig into the media minutiae to make sure and didn’t know it wouldn’t be available retail. I just assumed it would pop up on BGG or online stores. So mostly my fault, I guess? Any plans to have it available again?
Yes, we’ll have it available again. That information has been the first paragraph on the Nesting Box page (this page that we’re on right now) for the last 24 hours:
“If the first printing of the Nesting Box is sold out in your region, please enter your email on the order page for a back-in-stock notification (early 2023). The reprint will be prepackaged and will not have Wingspan Asia inside the box, so if you want the expansion, you can proceed to order it today while it’s on sale and available. Feel free to read a chronicle of the events surrounding the Nesting Box and how we’re looking to serve customers better in the future.”
I didn’t sign up for the back in stock notification because the pre order notification didn’t help at all when I signed up for that months ago only to have them all gone by the time I checked my email. And I’d only checked the order page the day before!
Personally the Asia expansion was a nice to have, the reason to get it was that it was bundled to be more cost effective. I was really after the box, maybe I will be, but at a higher combined price it’s less attractive now.
Would have been happy to share the risk or pay a deposit to secure the place in line months ago, understand that’s logistically more annoying, but patient I am. But missing out on the launch deal because I was asleep at 2am I do not like. Ultimately I understand not wanting to over order, but I’d imagine the potential buying pool is a reasonable proportion of people that own all three copies in English, not just those who knew about it Pre launch.
Also if people are going to have to stay up until 2am to get a box, it might be worth letting them know they price in advance. So they don’t stay up only to find out that they don’t want it. There really needs to be well over the expected sales in stock if people don’t get all the info until it’s literally about to be sold out. This is why Apple announces and prices things a week before preorders open.
Thanks for your thoughts, Rod. I think you’ll find yesterday’s article–which covers some of those topics–to be insightful: https://stonemaiergames.com/the-great-nesting-box-debate
Here’s an article about why we don’t announce prices in advance: https://stonemaiergames.com/price-secrecy-flexibility-and-patience/
We did inform Champions of the price 1 day before the preorder launch.
Mine is out for delivery tomorrow!!!! Wow!!!!!
Which shipping did you select? I did the heavy one
Just to make sure there’s no confusion, our 4 fulfillment centers (US, Canada, Asia, and Australia) will be shipping preorders in optimized batches throughout November, first to Champions in each region and then to everyone else. The shipping type and the order in which you ordered ha nothing to do with the order in which your package will ship. It’ll just happen sometime in November, and when it does, you’ll get a shipping notification.
Oh ok thank you for the clarification. I guess I’m just anxious and impatient lol 😂
I live in Saint Louis (where fulfillment center is) so it’s not a long journey :)
Nesting Box and Wingspan Asia on the way via FedEx!! Should have by Saturday. Amazing service!
Nice. Lucky you. Can’t wait to get mine and my friend’s
Why did the price magically increase overnight? Was there some sort of announced “early bird” pre-order special? Were we told that the price would increase if we didn’t pre-order it before it sold out? I think people are upset because not only did they miss the pre-order, but now we’re being asked to spend even more on it for some cards, a big empty box, and some player boards. $110? I thought $99 was high, but then it goes up? Is this the only “sale” for the product then?
The preorder sale price was $99, discounted from $110 (both numbers were visible on our website yesterday). We always offer lower preorder prices than ongoing prices.. Since we no longer have the product in stock, the sale price is no longer relevant.
Are you surprised at how well it sold out Jamie? I guess you can only work on feedback from people and this would have been a big outlay to get them made. Good that you’ve already get the second print into production so people shouldn’t have to wait too long. I also think you do an excellent job with your communication and I’ve not yet come across a board game company who as focused on their customer service as you are. Thank you.
Thanks Peter! I’m a little surprised, yes. We actually had more launch notification signups for Wingspan Asia, so I thought at least we’d sell an equal number of Wingspan Asia and the Nesting Box.
Have you considered the idea of small print runs of the nesting box in the future that include the new expansion similar to Wingspan Asia? There was some discussion about this on the discord, not sure if you saw it, but there definitely seems to be a scenario of people who are unwilling to buy just the nesting box and a nesting box in a couple of years that includes Wingspan Africa (just an example) may be enticing to them.
I think there’s a decent chance we’ll do that for future expansions.
I think this is a great solution for those of us who are feeling jaded by this round.
Don’t listen to the negativity, SM. Everything was communicated perfectly. You’ve consistently provided great products in a timely manner. I’m surprised at the amount of adults on this thread who are making rude comments because their board game is not going to arrive when they want.
Thanks Chip! I try to listen to anything constructive (including frustrations) as long as they’re not expressed in a way that violates our community guidelines (“Antagonistic, rude, or degrading comments will be removed.”)
Chip, to be fair communication was not perfect. Pre-order was a savings of $11 (this was an unknown), announcement email never came for me (I know I signed up b/c I tried to sign up again and it said I was already on the list), and the survey showing over 13,000 people interested in the box but only 10,000 produced. I also don’t understand how pre-ordered product is shipping next day? That is faster than a basic order of in stock merchandise at many websites.
Steven, please read this to get the facts: https://stonemaiergames.com/the-great-nesting-box-debate/
SMG may want to consider opening pre-orders for Champion members for the first 24 hours. Getting your items delivered first isn’t much of a benefit if you can’t order them at all. It would also give an additional benefit for Champion members at no additional cost.
Unfortunately there’s no way to do that on our webstore. When a product launches there, anyone can see it.
After reading through the comments here I think some props are in order for Jamey and the Stonemaier Games team. With what other product can we expect the owner of the company to thoughtfully respond to each and every comment, both positive and negative?
I appreciate that, Brian, and I need to pass on props to my coworker Joe, who answered 500 customer service emails yesterday while I was handling comments here, on Facebook, on BGG, on Instagram, and on YouTube. :)
Wow… surprised to see so many harsh words for what is by no means a limited product. I understand the disappointment and agree that some aspects could’ve been handled better, but all parts of this run bar the number on the box will be available in the future.
SM obviously couldn’t have accounted for all of the interested people who placed several orders. The price seems fair to me for a sturdy-looking box with so many components (which imo doubles as a collectors’ item) – although I’d be curious to know why it was raised so soon after launch and I’d rather have known the price beforehand. As for timezones, it’s incredibly hard to find release times that work well for everyone; SM seem to have taken notes, no doubt it’ll be better next time.
All in all I think this was handled well. Special shoutout to Jamey, who did an admirable job keeping us informed in the comment section and handling all the comments and feedback in the last couple of days (side note: as a social media manager in training I deeply admire your attitude). Kudos to the whole team for your hard work, can’t wait to get all my components sorted!
Giulia: Thank you! As for the price increase, that was 100% a mistake on my part before I went to bed last night. I was in the mindset of “everything is sold out, so there’s no need to rub the sale price in the face of anyone who missed the first printing,” but Europe wasn’t actually sold out (and still isn’t). This morning I went through every order in Europe placed at the standard price over the last 10 hours and refunded the difference.
As for the frustrated comments, I completely understand the frustration. I would be frustrated too. I’ve been thinking about what I could have done differently/better, and I’ll discuss it in a blog post today.
I see! Thanks for the transparency, both here and in the blog post – I’m glad to see you’re taking all of the feedback to heart to improve future runs and considering so many options. Best of luck!
Will future printings of the Nesting Box cost the same? Or will it be cheaper since it will no longer include the Asia expansion?
They will definitely be cheaper.
Where did you see $75 US? I paid $99 US plus $18 shipping US.
Champions get a 20% discount on the $99 listed price.
With the champions memebership the box was 79.20 and 14.40 in shipping
Oh sure, the comment read didn’t say $75 “for Champions” so I didn’t want others getting mislead that it was $75 in general :)
How many nesting boxes were ultimately sold during the preorder?
We made 10,000, and it looks like around 200 remain in Europe.
I received my launch notification at 10:03 am on 11/2/22 but had to wait until my lunch break to order. At 12:02 pm, I ordered my nesting box. I was amazed that they had already sold 5556 copies! I was 5557. Fifteen minutes later, they had sold another 104 copies. I knew they weren’t going to last long at that rate. My friends missed out on theirs unfortunately. So happy I got mine!
Wow I’m really surprised I wasn’t able to get an order in… normally it’s not a big deal to wait until I’m off work for these… a bit disappointing. If I had realized it was so limited I would have made it a higher priority to submit my order… hope to hear that a reprint is already in the works…
So you called this a pre-order but really it’s just an order? Why mislead us with calling it a pre-order? If the games are already made and you only have a certain amount, that’s just selling them. Calling it a pre-order implies you’ll take orders and print the number of games you have orders for. I’m very upset with the way this was done, I became a Champion specifically for this box and now it’s sold out. The least you could do is continue to include Asia with it in the future.
THIS.
Agreed
This isn’t that uncommon, at least in my experience. I’ve placed plenty of limited-quantity preorders with bundled items that eventually became available on their own, with the preorder merely being a way to get them together, sooner or at a lower price (or a combination of the three).
This is a preorder, not crowdfunding. A preorder is when you’re ordering something before it ships. We’ve already made the product–that way you don’t need to wait months for it to arrive. We invested our money in making the Nesting Box, not yours.
We even started the reprint a few months ago (again, our investment, not yours). There seemed to be plenty of people who wanted the option to buy the Nesting Box without Wingspan Asia, hence why the reprint won’t include it. Plus, we made plenty of copies of Wingspan Asia–it’s available now.
To be clear, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way Jamey and SMG handled this onsale. Fronting the cash for 10,000 copies of this game/accessory is a big commitment for a small business, and to Jamey’s point, expressions of interest (for which there were 8000) are NOT commitments. That said….. I think folks have a point about the misleading “preorder” verbiage. If a preorder is “ordering something before it ships”, then every single act of e-commerce is a pre-order, as I’m unaware of any store or vendor who ships products to customers before they order them ;-) .
I’m open to other terms, though this is the term we’ve used for a while, and I think it differentiates what we do from “crowdfunding” verbiage.
Jamey, What can’t be argued is that for those of us that have been obsessing about both Wingspan Asia and the Nesting Box, the limited nature of this first printing and timing of the onsale was crystal clear. It was clear from prior Champion emails, prior blog posts, and prior comments on this page. I put a reminder in my personal and work Outlook calendars for 8:45 AM CDT, and by 9:03 AM CDT my order was placed. I get it that not everyone has the flexibility in their workday to birddog a product onsale. So be it – it’s only a game, and only the first printing. I also get that a more casual Wingspan player may not have been paying attention over the past several weeks/months, reading the design diaries, etc. Again, so be it. You won’t be first on your block to have the Nesting Box – not a crisis. From reading the comments, it seems that the US store had stock for at least 4-5 hours. That seems a plenty adequate window to me for those who truly care to secure their orders.
Absolutely unacceptable that I missed out by an hour. What, I have to wait a year now? Pay a scalper 2x the price? Wonderful stuff mate. After the run of this game I vow to look at every release by SM with suspicion.
I highly doubt it’ll be a year before the next printing is available for purchase. It’s a bummer you missed it, but why exactly is that unacceptable? Stonemaier had publicized the pre-order date and time very well, so I’m not sure why you’re blaming them.
I clicked on the notification email and it was gone. I’d subscribed and expressed interest since at least June. It will be a year given the mismanagement of this “run,” certainly. Glad you got yours though.
We already have the first reprint in the works, so it will be available in early 2023. If we need to make another printing, it will be 6 months. As for mismanagement, we made 10,000 units of the Nesting Box based on 8,000 people who expressed interest before production began (which is far from a guarantee they’ll actually buy it–it’s easy to enter an email address; it’s a lot harder to spend $100).
Okay so the second print will be just the box?
The second printing will be everything mentioned above except Wingspan Asia (i.e., the box, the various layers, the trays, the birdfeeder, etc…but not Wingspan Asia).
Given this sold out in hours and people who put a notification on to get this still missed out will you reconsider this?
Until today I applauded your non-kickstarter sales method given it reduced FOMO, but there’s never been a kickstarter that I felt it was the fault of the campaign that I missed out! If you’re printing separately can you offer a bundle price to people who signed up for notifications? Some of us have been following this since your first announcement and still missed out because we weren’t awake at 2am on a weeknight!
Yes, for products like this where it was publicly announced before we entered production, we will reconsider this.
I understand that people are frustrated about not receiving the email reminders on time. Mine was also late. But just in case that happened, I also had my phone alarm set as a reminder as we were given the approximate time in advance. So by the time my reminder arrived, I had already ordered it. While Jamey has already acknowledged that a few improvements could be made for certain time zones, I felt the launch was well done overall.
One thing I’ll throw out there, after seeing a lot of feedback about folks missing the launch window (and this is purely an attempt to offer something constructive to look into for next time, as I did successfully get my preorder in without an issue): Because I’m subscribed to this thread, I was seeing comments about people attempting to place orders well before 10am EST, but the email saying the product launch was live hit my inbox at about 11am EST. So there was a window of over an hour where people were able to buy the product before the notification was sent, which I could see leading to some frustration for folks not actively watching the website. But still, kudos to a what seems to be a predominantly successful preorder launch, and I continue to be absolutely amazed at how responsive and communicative Jamey is with replies!
Definitely, there’s a reason for that (and today was a great example of it): We typically open preorders earlier than announced to work out glitches in the system. Today this was crucially important, as there were a bunch of glitches (some of which extended beyond the buffer period).
Ah, gotcha gotcha—I also recall seeing comments you made where shopping areas were closed down to fix those glitches. Makes sense! Par for the course, Stonemaier always seems like a company with a backup plan or solid thought-out reason for making a decision.
I received my launch confirmation email for the nesting box at 1am AEST on 3rd November, and it was already sold out by the time I woke up and clicked the link. What is the point of signing up for notification if it’s going to be sold out so quickly? Very disappointed to miss out.
“What is the point of signing up for notification if it’s going to be sold out so quickly?”
Doing that helps us gauge how many to make–in this case, we made more than the number of people who told us they wanted it, yet we still sold out.
Also, we’re making more, and Wingspan Asia is still available. You haven’t missed out. :)
Woke up to find the nesting box was already sold out. I feel really disappointed and frustrated now. This feels very unfair to the people who live in different time zones. I expected there to be enough that there would still be some when I woke up. Will the second printing of the nesting box at least be cheaper because it doesn’t include Wingspan Asia?
Yes, it will. We truly did try to accommodate people in other time zones, hence the Australia/NZ store opening early. I’m going to look into using that approach in the future and enabling people in similar time zones (i.e., Asia) to order from the Australia store.
You accommodated Aus/NZ but not some other countries who aren’t that far off in time zone from them as we could not order from there. Yes please do allow us to order from the Australia store. Shipping might even be of a lower cost. The time zone difference is also way more forgiving than giving us the US store to order from. The frustration from some of us is because we really loved the game and had wanted it as soon as possible, but not being able to get it due to an unfair time difference isn’t the best experience.
I hear you. Thank you for your feedback, and we will do better.
I thought you had more than enough copies made? What’s the point of asking asking for the interest email if we still needed to rush to try to get a copy. Unfortunately had to settle personal matters before I could have ordered and when I was free it was sold out. Hopefully there’s a another print run, too bad I didn’t get one with a serial number.
We made Nesting Boxes based on the number of people who indicated interest, and we sent an email (this email) when the order went live (we also told everyone opening in advance that the preorder would open by 10:00 am this morning).
With our system of making a product up front–especially an expensive product like this–and selling it when it’s ready (opposed to a Kickstarter), we incur the risk and expensive up front instead of our customers—this is our way of serving you. The downside is that products can sell out, and I hear your frustration, but we’ll always make more of a product that people want. We’re already reprinting the Nesting Box, and we’ll let you know when it’s ready if you request a back in stock notification on our webstore. It won’t include Wingspan Asia, so you can still preorder it today—it’s in stock, ready to ship.
Yes you told us in advance, but it is quite unfair for some of us international buyers who are of a different time zone and woke up to it being sold out already despite showing interest.
We selected times for the preorders to go live that corresponded with as many worldwide schedules as possible. Our US, Canada, and Europe stores opened during business hours, and our Australia/NZ store opened in the evening.
It was close to midnight here from where I am from when you opened the US store for international buyers.
You included Wingspan Asia inside but quite a few Asian countries could not get it as it was released at about 11pm or midnight here such as in South Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong. This is not business hours at all!
Daniel, we truly did try to accommodate people in other time zones, hence the Australia/NZ store opening early. I’m going to look into using that approach in the future and enabling people in similar time zones (i.e., Asia) to order from the Australia store.
I’m on Maui at the moment. The sale started at 4am local time for me. I signed up as a Champion and so got a bit of head start. I was up at 330am, logged on and refreshed as the time got closer. I saw the Nesting Box on sale at 358am and preordered. Having done prep a few days beforehand (Champion cost was covered by the Champion discount) and having my cc on file made things smooth for me. I was sure you’d sell out the first printing on the first day. The product is amazing and the Nesting Box idea is clever–better then having third party solutions (or homemade) like I do for Catan and Dominion. I’m also like your Kickstarter rationale. The hype cycle with bonuses that were planned anyway always seems a bit disingenuous coupled with the 6-12 lag time for the product (the past two years have been worse in large part due to printing issues and supply chain drag). You and Stonemaier are doing a good job. I’ve only tried Wingspan but will look at others.
I agree, I felt very frustrated and annoyed to see it already sold out when I woke up
Very excited to have an order in for the nesting box! I have been waiting and following the progression of watching all the changes to the box as the different prototypes evolved. So much work went into it!! I signed up for the notifications which I never found in my inbox until I became a champion, but that is ok. I wanted the box so took the responsibility of keeping track of something I very much wanted to order. It went live while I was at work, which I knew it would, so during my break I went online and ordered it. Very excited to get my hands on it and organize all my expansions! Thank you for making this possible Jamey!
Thanks Luanne! While I think there are ways we can improve the preorder system to serve all customers for a product we’ve discussed so publicly, I appreciate the steps you took to ensure you got a first-run copy. :)
Wow, get off work and the nesting box is already sold out in the US. Pretty disappointed but guess will have to wait or rethink buying it.
Wingspan Asia is still in stock, and the Nesting Box reprint will not include it. If you want it, I’d recommend getting it now while it’s available and on sale.
Thank you for the reply..based on the cost with shipping, I think I’ll wait to see if my local game store gets it in stock. Then they get a benefit even if I have to wait longer. Really liked the idea of the combined product. Hoping I have better luck when the nesting box is back in stock.
That’s a great point, and we’re happy to have you support your preferred retailer for Wingspan Asia. :)
I managed to preorder the nesting box with wingspan asia included and I also managed to preorder an additional copy of wingspan asia.
I’m based in California. I leave on Nov 21st for a long international.
What are the odds of receiving the items by the 20th or before?
If it’s likely to come after the 20th will there be a tracking link I can share with a friend who can pick it up from my doorstep?
Thank you.
If you’re a Champion, there’s a decent chance it will arrive by then. If you’re not a Champion, there’s a lower chance. You will get a tracking notification when the order ships.
Got it. Thank you. I did sign up to be a champion. This morning just before I placed my preorder.
Hi – the preorder went live at 2am Sydney time. Was sold out before many people in this timezone were awake. As a customer who did register pre interest I feel like I never got a chance – can we at least hold some in a more timezone friendly manner next time?
Daniel: That actually isn’t true. We scheduled the Australia webstore to open at 8:00 pm Sydney time, as we didn’t want to ask people in Australia and New Zealand to wake up in the middle of the night. So we actually did what you requested here this time, and if you like the way we did it, we’ll provide that special treatment to the Australia store again in the future.
The preorder went live significantly before then. I ordered mine at 10:30pm AEDT and I suspect it had been up for a while before then.
Crazy….I get off work today and the Nesting Box is already Sold Out…very disappointing….when do we expect the next pre order to be available?
We made Nesting Boxes based on the number of people who indicated interest, and we sent an email (this email) when the order went live (we also told everyone opening in advance that the preorder would open by 10:00 am this morning).
With our system of making a product up front–especially an expensive product like this–and selling it when it’s ready (opposed to a Kickstarter), we incur the risk and expensive up front instead of our customers—this is our way of serving you. The downside is that products can sell out, and I hear your frustration, but we’ll always make more of a product that people want. We’re already reprinting the Nesting Box, and we’ll let you know when it’s ready if you request a back in stock notification on our webstore. It won’t include Wingspan Asia, so you can still preorder it today—it’s in stock, ready to ship.
I would highly recommend getting Wingspan Asia now if you want it. We can’t guarantee that it will be in stock when the Nesting Box reprint arrives, and because that reprint will be prepackaged, you won’t be able to add anything else to the order anyway (Wingspan Asia will be a separate order anyway).
I do not yet know the price or exact timing of the Nesting Box reprint, as it depends upon freight shipping.
I echo Daniel’s frustration. I understand your explanation. I replied to your request for interest and still not able to get it. I would’ve preferred a Kickstarter that I could have guaranteed the product. Will the nesting box still come with the extra dice tower or did we miss out on that? Also will the price be the same? $99 – $39 for the expansion = $60 or will it be more?
The Nesting Box reprint will cost less than the first printing; the price depends on the cost of freight shipping. Yes, it will still come with all the same components except Wingspan Asia.
I signed up for the email and never received it. I was planning on buying the Nesting Box with the Asia expansion since toucans are my favorite bird, but unfortunately I missed it. I’ll still purchase the Asia expansion in the future when it comes to stores, but I probably won’t buy the Nesting Box now.
Can you help me understand this? There’s a product you want that we’re reprinting for you, but you don’t want it?
I know it doesn’t help, but I do see that the newsletter notification was sent to you this morning. It’s the same list we used to send you an update on October 7, and that email was opened, so it seems unlikely that today’s email went to your spam or promotions folder (but it’s still worth checking there).
I echo Cooper here. It’s a bummer about not getting a chance to pre-order the nesting box even though we had signed up for the launch notification. I probably won’t be getting the nesting box either unless it’s sold in a store here, it’s not worth it for the extra shipping.
Is there a chance to preorder the nesting box so we can be sure to get the second printing and so you know how many to make.
We only sell products we have in stock. We’re happy to continuously make more of any products we sell out of as long as there’s demand for them.
I did not receive an email and it is not in my spam folder. I’m really disappointed that it’s not possible to get the bundle any longer. I think something needs to be made right for those who signed up for the notification, did not receive it, and are now being asked to make separate purchases and I’m assuming paying an extra $40.
Unless you actually paid something, I’m not sure compensation is reasonable. However, I expect if you have some ideas on how to make the process smoother in the future, the team would like to hear them. There’s a lot that goes into these logistics! I highly doubt they are wanting to make people unhappy on purpose. It is understandable to be disappointed when something you really wanted isn’t available.
I disagree because of this statement from Jamey: “ We made Nesting Boxes based on the number of people who indicated interest, and we sent an email (this email) when the order went live (we also told everyone opening in advance that the preorder would open by 10:00 am this morning).”
I indicated interest and signed up for email notification.
I’m not expecting a box to be reserved for me, but I would think more than the number requested would have been printed, not less. There are certainly many happy people there will be who will be getting a great deal on the box + expansion + getting them ahead of others. But there is no issue with being disappointed and expressing a desire for this deal to be made available to those who signed up for it.
Thank You for responding and I know it’s been a tough 24 hours. I was one of the people who indicated interest months and months ago. I did receive the email, but unfortunately I was unable to log in from work and purchase. I think the initial disappointment is from following it for so so long and being ready to invest the finances on the day of the release; but being let down. I put in another email notification immediately on the nesting box (with Asia included) I hope that translates to the second release without Asia included. Should I be looking for another web address link or an upcoming accountment?
You did the right thing, Nick–thanks!
Same here..
I got the pre-order for Canada. I was wondering, is the 1–3-week delivery time after the pre-order date or only after it is release for retail?
We expect that all preorders will ship in November. The retail release date is independent of our shipping logistics (it’s in December).
Congrats! I got in within the first 1000. I cannot wait to get it. My group regularly plays at 6 to 7…it was rough, but we still love Wingspan. Cannot wait to see how Asia changes the dynamic.
Well, my inbox certainly blew up today from all these posts! Hopping on to share some positive feedback–got my Champion subscription sorted this morning, purchased the Nesting Box w/ Asia without a hitch, and can’t wait to explore all the new aspects to the game! Congrats to Jamey, Stonemeier, and everyone involved with Wingspan on another successful project launch, delighted that so many people were excited to get the Nesting Box, and can’t wait to see where the series goes from here!
Thanks Matthew! I appreciate your patience while we sorted out this morning’s issues.
Same my brother ordered his nesting box and I was able to get mine and one for my good friend for his Christmas! Thank you Jamey for the constant communication.
Awesome, thanks Romain!
Why not cool? I think it’s so great for them. They have created a very popular product! And it selling out so quickly means it’s very likely they’ll do a reprint. I do empathize with disappointment in not being able to get it this round. Try not to take it out on the creators. :)
Congrats, Jamey, Elizabeth, Natalia, Ana Maria, Morten, and all Stonemaier peoples!
I appreciate that positivity. We were happy to incur the risk and cost of making 10,000 Nesting Boxes, and we’re already reprinting the box (without Wingspan Asia inside). If anyone missed out on one today, they can sign up for a back in stock notification and we’ll be in touch in a few months (and they can still preorder Wingspan Asia today).
Congrats on selling out in under 6 hours!
USA – I couldn’t purchase the nesting box using GPay, so I switched to entering my CC info directly and it worked. I am moving to another state December 7th, should I be safe in assuming it should ship to WI before that date?
Yes, you should be fine.
I tried to place and order and now it shows sold out. Is this an error?
It’s not an error–we are indeed sold out in the US. Please enter your email for a back in stock notification, and if you want Wingspan Asia, you can go ahead and get it, as it is not included in the Nesting Box reprint.
How much will the nesting box be without the new expansion included?
It depends on the freight shipping costs at the time. It’ll be less than the current printing, though, as it won’t include Wingspan Asia inside the box.
When will it be possible to buy just the Nesting box without the Asia-Expansion? I‘m from Germany and want to have all cards in german so i will buy the german version of Wingspan Asia.
Thanks
Florian
Florian: Here’s how we answer that in the FAQ:
Can I buy just the Nesting Box (not the new expansion)?
The first printing of the Nesting Box aligned with production of Wingspan Asia, so we packed the expansion inside the box for those who want to buy both from us at the same time, therefore reducing shipping costs (freight shipping is VERY expensive right now, particularly for big products like this, and it has a direct result on the price of the product). Wingspan Asia will also be available separately for those who don’t want the Nesting Box. When freight shipping costs permit, the box will be available by itself.
Okay thank you
I am trying to make an order an i recieve an error. Your cart has been updated and the previous rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate. However, I was charged in paypal. I really want my order, what can I do?
Dear Sozon,
If you are from Europe, you can try to change the currency from Euro to GBP. Made it possible to complete the purchase and place an order. Hopefully it’ll work for you too?
Change from euro to pound and that should work
EU customer here: confirmed that changing from euro to GBP works and it makes it able to finalize the order. Shame it doesn’t work while paying with euros but i’m very glad I managed to order a nesting box :)
GL HF everybody with this beautiful box + insert and the game itself of course!
Thanks to Joe as well for the exchange by mail.
Kind regards!
Will the nestingbox and asia expension be available as a bundle in other languages too? I have all the other ones in dutch and would like to have asia in dutch too.
Hi Femke,
999 Games will not publish the box.
There will be a Wingspan Azië though.
Hu,
I was logged in as a Champion and put the Nesting Box in my cart. When it didn’t recognize the discount I logged out to try again. I had to reset my password because I am commuting home and don’t have the Stonemeier password. I tried again and it still didn’t recognize the discount. I got confused and wasn’t sure if I was logged in properly. I tried again and now my account is blocked.
I can’t log in to buy the Nesting Box with the discount.
Can you help me please? I’m devastated and so worriedit will sell out. I’ve been planning to buy the 3rd expansion since Oceania came out.
Thanks,
Heather S
Heather: I just sent you an account invite. After you click on it, you should be able to place an order.
For you or anyone who has trouble getting an order to work with the discount, please proceed to place the order as you can, and we can always apply the discount afterwards (just send the order number and the issue to contact@stonemaiergames.com).
Hi Jamey, thank you so much for your kind reply. We were able to order it! We created a new account in the Europe site using the same email address I used to become a Champion. We’ve requested a retroactive refund via email.
And thank you so much for the exquisite Wingspan series. Playing it always brings us joy. It’s inspired my husband and me to become birdwatchers. Kudos to you and your team for the environmental friendly production.
Sincerely,
Heather S
Thanks Heather! We’re happy to help with that. I’m glad you’re enjoying Wingspan and birding!
If you’re still having trouble getting a shipping rate to work in Euros, trying clearing your cache or using a different device.
Order twice now. Once in EUR (Super Heavy+) and once in GBP (Super Heavy). My second order was cheaper. Any idea why? I will cancel my more expensive order when needed.
Fulfillment Centre Location
We ship orders to customers in Europe from a fulfillment centre in the UK, with region-specific taxes prepaid for EU VAT. Customers within the UK and the European Union will not receive additional taxes or fees upon delivery. Customers outside of the EU (and not in the UK) may receive additional fees upon delivery.
Please do not place multiple orders and cancel one–this causes havoc to our preorder logistics shipping. Just place one order and if you think something is wrong, report the order number and details to contact@stonemaiergames.com
I’m very sorry I messed things up. But the only way to find out if the ordering process worked and the price would be lower was to place another order. When using EUR I keep getting errors. What was the idea behind Super Heavy+ that was available for awhile?
The idea behind the super heavy rate was to account for orders where people added other items to a Nesting Box order (as Nesting Boxes are prepackaged and will be shipped separately).
Ok, I understand. That option did work. The Super Heavy option is still not working when EUR is the currency. Thank you for clearing this up. I admire the work and effort you are all putting into this.
I signed up to be a Champion and paid, but now I’m trying ot order Nesting in the UK store, and it’s asking me for the full non-Champion price. I’m really worried that it’s going to sell out before I can do the order. Or should I pay full price now and get the partial refund later?
Champion is localised store product. If you want the champion discount in the EU store you will need to sign for it for uk store too.
I doubt that. Cos when I click manage subscription in the email, it takes me to the the EU store page.
Chris: Yes, if for some reason the Champion discount isn’t applied at checkout, after making sure you’re using the correct email (same as the one you used to become a Champion), proceed with the order and send the order number to contact@stonemaiergames.com so we can apply the discount retroactively.
I managed to place a new order but I had to re-add the subscription. I cancelled the first one, so I hope you will refund that, given then it was cancelled within an hour and I placed a new subscription order.
Exciting day. Preorder for nesting box, and Everdell the complete collection with all the extras finally will be delivered after so long! Going to be a lot of birdwatching (and laying eggs) and critter moving this fall!
I’ve been trying to proceed with shipping in the European store now for more than an hour, but no luck so far as I get the “previous shipping rate isn’t valid” error all the time. At the same time the number of copies sold count is rising by the minute. If I miss out today, is it still possible to get the big box with Asia exp included at a later date when these shipping issues are resolved?
Same since more than 2 hours :)
Changing the EU store currency to GBP seems to do the trick.
Yes, it worked out, thank you!
Thank you! This tip worked (or at least I got the order confirmation etc, so looking good).
Does someone from Germany could already preorder? Or everyone has experiencing issues with shipping method?
You should see a Super Heavy+ shipping option. They are working on it.
Still unable to order at the Europe store. Only Super Heavy shipping option (€19.20) available and still getting the error message “Your cart has been updated and the previous shipping rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate.”. But according the copies sold info, some seem to be able to buy it even now.
Try to change Currency EUR to GBP £ and it will work (around 115 EUR at the end)
thank you Ed, changing to the kings money worked! appreciate your help
Thank you! I did that and it worked (hopefully).
Worked for me too, thank you!
Everytime I try to purchase on the European store I get told my payment method is declined. I have tried various different payment methods, debit cards, credit cards and paypal and none will go through.
Can you try now? Try using British pounds instead of Euros.
I have tried again, and have been using GBP during the whole time
Why all the shops calculates a preorder discount for the nesting box but the Europe shop just charges the full price?
The discount is included on the Europe store. The difference is that VAT must be included in the listed price–this is the law.
Hi! The wording about the inclusion of the Asia expansion confuses me a little. Is the expansion included as a “gift” with the preorder boxes, or will the price go down when an empty version becomes available? Thank you!
It is not even sure if an empty version will ever be released.
I vaguely recall something about a 10$ difference between the first run of boxes and the expansion-less one, it was probably in some older comment. The box will definitely be available by itself “when freight shipping costs permit”.
I think the inclusion of the expansion helps justify the frieght shipping cost of the box. The expansion’s cost is wrapped within the price of the Nesting Box.
Wingspan Asia’s components are prepacked inside of the Nesting Box. The Nesting Box reprint without Wingspan Asia will have a slightly lower price than the current box.
Jamey has already explained the reason for the pricing. A costly box that Stonemaier will barely make much on.
It’s a great quality product.
Made for fans. It a niche product.
Europe store here – I can see the preorder page with the copies sold number climbing, but I’m still getting the “Your cart has been updated and the previous shipping rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate.” error
Same here
The shipping rate has an error. You should see Super Heavy+ (€38,40).
I think it wil work when you try again later.
Same here. Only one shipping rate available (in Europe) and it’s not working.
Before I get other replies, I want to apologize in advance for my harsher than intended tone. It’s just that I am disappointed after being hyped up for this super cool box.
then don’t buy it? Some problems are easy to solve
I disagree! much labor went into this you can be sure. I find the price point perfect!
Europe store unfortunately still has the problem: “Your cart has been updated and the previous shipping rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate.”
No it is back online. I am still having same issue “Your cart has been updated and the previous shipping rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate.” There is “Super Heavy” option and it is impossible to proceed.
Super Heavy+ was added (€38,40), but they removed it again.
Super Heavy+ for non-champs was 48. Europe-Store to Germany, seriously?
Definitely sign up for Champion then. It’s only 15 euro.
Already did, but wondering how the shipping can be still so expensive from Europe to Germany. I paid less for a several kickstarters which should be shipped by water and were a way heavier. But never mind.
The “European” fulfilment centre is in the UK (#remainer). I wonder if that’s a problem :(
It might also mean the rest of Europe will have to pay extra import taxes.
We cover customs fees from the UK to the EU (if any).
That is not a problem.
if we signed up for mailing list but received no email, is it possible to miss out on this round of preorder?
Is it sold out in Europe? Or still just difficulties with the website and the shipping?
It is not sold out anywhere.
Hi, Tried to order on the European site (I’m from the UK) but it wouldn’t process my payment options (tried multiple cards) and now the box is sold out. When they be available to buy again?
The box is not sold out. We’re experiencing some issues with the shipping configuration and are trying to fix them.
For anyone who has already had their order confirmed I assume those will be honoured or will there be an additional cost for shipping added?
If you successfully placed an order, of course you’re fine as is.
Peter: I just found several questions from you in my spam folder–sorry about that! I’ll reply to them now, starting with this one.
Absolutely, if we’ve accepted an order, we have the inventory to fulfill it and will do so in November.
Hello. I’m in California. I see in comments that some folks have been able to order. I’m still seeing the “Notify me upon launch” button which I’ve subscribed to earlier.
Should I be looking at a different link to pre-order?
Thank you!
You have to go to the store section of the website
Thank you. When I look at the shops, I’m only seeing International, EU, Canada. No US store.
International = US
Same issue in Florida
Ok, interesting update. I just signed up to be a champion ( I wasn’t before when I was trying to preorder from California ) and then I was able to see the preorder link on the product page. I was able to order with US heavy shipping and the champion discount was applied during checkout.
Being a Champion was definitely worth it. Made it far easier.
Couldn’t agree more. Took me about 3 minutes just to check in & out.
Is the nesting box already sold out at the Europe store? That was the message I got when trying to buy it. Now it seems to have disappeared completely.
To quote Jamey: “We’re experiencing some issues with shipping fees and have taken down the listing temporarily until we fix them.”
is it now sold out in EU?
No. We’re experiencing some issues with shipping fees and have taken down the listing temporarily until we fix them.
thanks Jamie
I am trying to buy nesting box. I became a member last night, but it is not showing that price, it is showing the full price. How do I get it to charge the lesser price?
Try clicking through to the checkout page. For me I don’t think it showed the discount price on the main page.
Stacy: It should show you the Champion price in your cart. If that isn’t happening, you can go ahead and place the order and email the order number to contact@stonemaiergames.com to have the discount applied after the fact.
Got it! Ordered Nesting Box! Thanks for the GREAT game!
Jamey, I just want to say how great this product looks! I am so excited! I’ll be checking my front porch every day, maybe twice a day! For me the order process was like butter. Smooth as silk!
Jamey, my brother actually ordered his and I was able to place two orders one for myself and one for my friend for his Christmas gift. Thank you so much
Already placed my order for a FedEx Home delivery, but was curious as to what “Heavy Goods Shipping” is.
Is there a known issue with the order processing? I have tried 5 different totally valid payment methods, PayPal, ShopPay, 2 different browsers, it always just says declined or can’t be processed. United States.
Yes, it is a known issue that we’re trying to fix. Thank you.
I was able to preorder with “shop”.
I received the champion discount, and the system populated with $14.40 shipping. I assume that is correct…..seems a fair shipping price for a big box of goodies!!
Shipping in EU (to The Netherlands)
€38,40 (Super Heavy+)
Any updates here? I’m still getting the same range of random errors no matter what I try. I saw with other areas you paused the sales when there was an issue but in this case I’m just watching the units sold count soar while I’m completely unable to buy through no fault of my own….
Please provide details so we can help. What store are you on? Where is the issue happening for you?
Thanks! I am in the U.S, in MA. when it redirects to PayPal it will just act as though it has processed something but then never go back to the Stonemaier page. ShopPay just says the transaction cannot be processed, same thing when I try to enter a credit card directly. I only have the one item in the cart and have selected US heavy shipping.
Thank you! I’ll share that with our web dev to see what we can do.
Hello. In the pacific Northwest and it’s unavailable for order. still says notify me on launch. am i doing something wrong
In California. Same experience. Wondering how to preorder
I am having a problem ordering the Nesting box from Germany, I always get this error message: “Your cart has been updated and the previous shipping rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate.” There is only one rate (super heavy) and it is already selected. Anybody else having issues in Europe?
Yes, others are having the issue, and we’re working on fixing it.
It works now. Super Heavy+ is added.
I have ordered it from Germany, too. Without issues. Do you try to get more than one copy?
Choose Heavy+. It’s just added and a bit more expensive.
Nevermind, in the 20th attempt it offered me a different shipping rate that worked. This can be deleted.
What’s the difference between US heavy goods shipping and Fedex home delivery? I selected US heavy goods because I wanted to get the order in ASAP but if the other option will be faster…
Please go with US heavy goods–it is the correct choice in this case.
Uh oh, I just placed my order with FedEx Home Delivery…
Is there any way for me to change it?
Will we have issues if we ordered with FedEx Home Delivery?
If you already ordered, it’s fine.
Oh great! thanks for clarifying.
Ordered! 🤘
Ordered! Woohoo! Can’t wait! California! Got up early to get it! It’s still dark out! Now I have to decide do I open it immediately when it comes or hand to the wife to put away for Xmas!
Ordered! ❤️
Hi! I have tried pre-ordering this through the European store, but it keeps on telling me ‘Your cart has been updated and the previous shipping rate isn’t valid. Select a new rate’. I only have one rate and selected it multiple times plus clicked ‘Continue to payment’ multiple times. It doesn’t work!
Also tried logging in again, other browsers, new address. Still can’t continue. Please help :)
Same problem here….
We’re looking into this. It may be related to ShopPay (i.e., try a different payment method). It also may be an issue if you’re putting too much in your cart.
Super Heavy+ is added. It works now!
When you just click on the Paypal button you can check out. No additional shipping costs are charged.
Sorry if this has been asked before, but is there a maximum number of Nesting Boxes that can be pre-ordered? I ask because I have meetings today starting at 9:30 a.m. and likely will not be able to revisit the site until 11 a.m. Would hate to miss out!
There’s a max of 1 pre order.
Sorry, let me rephrase – is there a maximum number of copies of the Nesting Box that Stonemaier Games has set aside for these pre-orders? Like is it capped at 500, 1,000, etc.?
No.
How should Canadians make a preorder? There is no page for this on Canadian store (yet?).
Canadians should preorder from our Canada webstore when the preorder goes live. It will be live by 10:00 am CT.
Can I order more than one even though they would be shipped separately? I want to get 3. One for me and one for my twin brother and one for my friend for Christmas gifts?
Yes, just 1 per order, but you can place multiple orders.
is that a firm 10am or is there some wiggle room and it could be earlier?
Jerry has said, “10am >latest<"
It’s November 2nd……waiting….
It’s like trying for Glastonbury tickets ;)
What time is it in the US now?
6:17 AM :-)
It’s 11:18 in the UK right now. So that’s 2hrs 42mins to go.
I face the front of my games out displayed on my kallax (with games behind them). Will the big box fit in a kallax so I can display the front of the box?
The Nesting Box fits into a Kallax two ways, but not the way you’re describing–just look at the measurement of the box and you’ll see that 430mm is bigger than the 320mm square dimensions of a Kallax section.
Hi, where / which game shop in Canada is a localization partner with Stonemaiergames? Thank you!
We sell our games in English in Canada. You can see our Canada webstore here: https://canada.stonemaiergames.com/
You can see retailers who sell our games here: https://stonemaiergames.com/retailer-locator/
And if you’re referring to French-language games, our French localization partner is Matagot.
are the cats in the prototype pics included? (^O^)
Hi there, I notice in the pictures that the food tokens are wooden. Is this part of the Nesting box/Asia expansion launch or are these available elsewhere?
Those are just to show that wooden tokens can fit into the food sections of the insert. All components included in the Nesting Box are in the components list on the above page.
Is there sufficient quantities of the nesting box that if we can’t make it to a computer for a few hours after it goes live, we’ll still be able to order?
That’s hard to say. We made 10,000 Nesting Boxes, which is either a lot if only 2,000 people order them or not nearly enough if 25,000 people try to order them (in which case we’ll make more).
Haha, this makes me slightly anxious. Since I’m living in Japan, I wont be able to pre-order until the next day. I hope there will be enough boxes so I can grab one. I specifically signed up as a SM Champion for this. :D
I remember sitting in the hospital waiting for my daughter to be born when the Wingspan Oceania pre-order went live. I think it was so busy that the webstore was actually down for a bit! It reminded me of trying to buy Patriots’ tickets.
Shout out to a Patriots fan! Woohoo!
This is the Nesting Box page, Ryan. Feel free to post questions about Scythe here: https://stonemaiergames.com/games/scythe/
What time tomorrow do preorders open?
By 10:00 am Central at the latest.
Central European or Central American?
Central American. We’re in St. Louis.
Hello, does the playmats fit in the box?
Yes, please see the second bullet point on this page:
“top layer (removable cardboard tray): holds 7 rubber playmats (laid flat), 12 folded cardboard player mats, rulebooks, goal mats”
Yes they do
Id love to get the Nesting Box but I also want to collect all of the boxes from the regular expansions. For that reason I’m probably going to wait for the nest set of boxes coming out. How long could we expect to see the next round of Nesting Boxes without Wingspan Asia included?
Probably 5-6 months. Just like the upcoming preorder, future Nesting Boxes will be prepackaged and shipped separately from other items (you won’t save on shipping costs by ordering them together), so you might as well buy Wingspan Asia now and get the Nesting Box later.
Is there a way to request a favourite bird that has been missed due to a shocking and unforgivable oversight? To add in as a promo or similar, at some later date?
That sounds a bit extreme, but yes, the bird request form link has been on the Wingspan page of our website for over a year: https://stonemaiergames.com/games/wingspan/
Oh nuts, that’s something I missed! Thanks
What time on 11/02/2022 should we be able to order the nesting box?
The preorder will be live at 10:00 am Central at the latest (that’s St. Louis time).
Hi Jamey,
Will the Nesting Box with the English version of Asia expansion be available for preorder on 2nd of November on the European Stonemaier store? I ask this since I can’t find a page regarding the Nesting Box on the European store just linke this page with information regarding the. Nesting Box.
Yes, absolutely–the Nesting Box will be available on all of our webstores on November 2 (if you look at the US webstore, you won’t find it there yet either–it won’t appear on any webstore until the preorder launches.
Hi I want to ask, if I preorder Nesting Box as soon it was release on Australia Web Store, when it will be delivered to my house? Tt is likely I would receive it by the end of November in the AU?
Stanley: Here’s what we say on the above page (feel free to let me know if we can make this clearer): “The Nesting Box will be available for preorder from Stonemaier Games on November 2, 2022, followed within a few weeks by preorder fulfillment from fulfillment centers in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia.”
We can only control when we ship products, not when they’re actually delivered. But that paragraph on the above page should be clear about when we’re shipping preorders (i.e., throughout November), yet I’ve gotten that question a lot, so perhaps it isn’t as clear as I think. If I can improve the clarity, please let me know.
If Asian expansion is coming out now when can we expect the last 3 expansions?
Thank you
When they’re ready! :) Probably spread out over the next 4-6 years.
Thank you for the quick responses. Can’t wait to get the nesting box and I just signed up to be a champion. Will I be able to get the champion discount on a pre-order?
Yep, you get the Champion discount on everything you purchase from our webstore. :)
Love it. I’ll be ordering 2 nesting boxes one for myself and one for my brother
How long after the preorder will the box be shipped?
Preorders will begin shipping to Champions within a few days, and the fulfillment centers will continue shipping until all preorders are fulfilled, a process that could take most of November.
I am in Canada – will I have to preorder from the Canada website? Do I have to become a champion from the Canada website? Just making sure I have all my “ducks” in a row before the Nov 2 preorder date. Don’t want to miss out because I am in a different country!
Yes, we only accept orders for Canada on our Canadian webstore. If you’d like to become a Champion, please do so in the Canadian webstore: https://canada.stonemaiergames.com/
Awesome. Thank you! I just didn’t need the nesting box on the Canadian store yet!
So there is an extra dicetower in the nestingbox? :)
Yes, this is the second to last bullet point on the component list above (“1 cardboard birdfeeder dice tower”). We’re including it because many people have told us that their original dice tower has worn out or that it broken when they originally tried to assemble it. We’ve updated the layout with some subtle design touches to aid the assembly process.
This is what I love about Stonemaier Games. The detail and care that goes into the products is phenomenal.
Ignore my question above Jamey! This answers it. I’m very happy with my NB.
How much will the Nesting Box with Asia cost?
Here’s what we say on the above page: “The price will be revealed on the preorder date (November 2)”.
How much faster do Stonemaier Champions get the Nesting Box shipped compared to normal orders? (I’m in Canada)
It’s relative to the number of people who place orders; our commitment is that Champion orders in each region are shipped before non-Champion orders. So, for example, if we get enough Champion orders in Canada that Hubtrotter takes 2 weeks to ship their orders, non-Champion orders wouldn’t start shipping until the third week.
So we wont be able to add on any of the promos for Rolling Realms in the nesting box order due to the shipping limits, is that correct
Unfortunately not. Though if you’re just ordering Wingspan Asia, you can add promos or other products to that order.
Hi Jamey, Upon launch, will the Nesting Box be available as a separate purchase (without Asia?). I’d prefer to buy the Dutch release of Asia (999 Games in The Netherlands) later this year.
And if not, when do you expect the second printing (without the Asia expansion) to be available?
No, it’s only available with Asia
Probably not till the first one is nearly sold out to see if they need to print more.
As I understood, they are two separate products. The way you describe it, it looks like one product. Is this correct?
No, all first editions contain Asia. My guess would be when the first edition is nearly sold out so they can judge how many to make for a second printing.
Sorry if this shows up twice, I replied but didn’t see the comments.
I understand what you mean. And it does indeed sound quite logical. Thanks for your comment.
John: Here’s what we say in the FAQ:
“Can I buy just the Nesting Box (not the new expansion)?
The first printing of the Nesting Box aligned with production of Wingspan Asia, so we packed the expansion inside the box for those who want to buy both from us at the same time, therefore reducing shipping costs (freight shipping is VERY expensive right now, particularly for big products like this, and it has a direct result on the price of the product). Wingspan Asia will also be available separately for those who don’t want the Nesting Box. When freight shipping costs permit, the box will be available by itself.”
Thanks for the reply! I’m very sorry I missed that in the FAQ, but it surely clears things up. I think I’ll just order the Nesting Box incl. Asia expansion then :-).
So just to make sure the nesting box and wingspan aisa are the same thing right?
No, they’re two different products, though in the first printing of the Nesting Box, Wingspan Asia is included inside the box.
When you say 10:00am on November 2nd central time…is that central time for USA? Like Chicago? I’m not familiar with worldwide time zones so wanted to be sure :)
Yes, Central time (we’re in St. Louis). :)
Well no way. I’m in Saint Louis. Any chance for local pickup to save on shipping?
Awesome! I appreciate you offering that, and I really wish we could offer local pickup, but unfortunately the fulfillment center we use here doesn’t allow that.
Well dang. At least there will be a short shipping time!
I plan to buy this for my daughter and son-in-law who is in the army. Do you ship to APO AE addresses?
We do! :)
Hi, Jamey–very excited about the Nesting Box/Wingspan Asia. I have a bunch of meetings the morning of Nov 2, but I hope to put an order in before the preorder runs out!
I have a question: “fits sleeved cards” is mentioned, and I wonder if that has a standard size in mind. Do you recommend any particular brand/model for sleeving Wingspan? I want to invest in card sleeves but the information overload is real…
Thanks Jack! We didn’t have a specific brand of sleeves in mind–we just tried to leave plenty of room for sleeved cards. :)
It is my partners birthday in November – she is more addicted than I am! If I ordered as soon as it was released, it is likely I would receive it by the 10th November in the UK?
If we proceed with the November 2 preorder and if you are a Stonemaier Champion who orders that day, there is a small chance you will receive it by November 10 (your copy would ship from within the UK).
I tried to become a Champion, but I can’t specify a UK address. Is there something I need to do?
As long as you became a Champion on the Europe store, you’re all set! I searched for your email on the European store but couldn’t find it, so please make sure you were here when you placed the order: https://europe.stonemaiergames.com/products/stonemaier-champion
I sorted it out! Thank you =)
It says “limit one per order”. Can I make two orders to get two boxes? It’ll make for a great gift. Thanks!
Yes, you can do that. :)
When placed in a kallax cube, how much extra space is left? Enough for a “standard” game box?
There’s enough room for another game. I’ve added a photo on the above page to show this.
Hey Jamey, maybe I missed it but I don’t see a photo of the box in a Kallax?
It’s on the sidebar of this page (I can see it right now in Chrome on Pc)–it’s the last photo with the rooster facing outwards.
Found it! Thank you
Will the nesting box have enough room for all future expansions too?
Here’s how we address this in the first paragraph on the above page: “This modular box is designed for all past, present, and future content.”
I can’t believe this is 430mm. Is that a typeo? I thought the Scythe box was big!
Sorry for double posting!
I can’t believe this box is 430mm! I thought the Scythe box was huge but this is mega huge! Thats not a typo though is it? It actually 430mm? 🤣
When will it be possible to get the nesting box without the Asia expansion?
Here’s how we answer that in the FAQ:
The first printing of the Nesting Box aligned with production of Wingspan Asia, so we packed the expansion inside the box for those who want to buy both from us at the same time, therefore reducing shipping costs (freight shipping is VERY expensive right now, particularly for big products like this, and it has a direct result on the price of the product). Wingspan Asia will also be available separately for those who don’t want the Nesting Box. When freight shipping costs permit, the box will be available by itself.
Will the second printing be cheaper than the first (since it won’t include the Asia expansion)?
Really want the box, but I have no use for an English copy of the Asia expansion.
It depends a bit on freight shipping costs, but most likely a future printing without an expansion inside will cost around $10 less.
I really want one, when is it going to be available?
As noted on the above page, the preorder is in early November 2022.
The Nesting Box came out perfectly, and is really beautiful. I will still have a hard time throwing away the old boxes for WS, EE and OE, and not get the new boxes for future expansions, only because they also look so good. I wish something was made, like an art print or something, that could let me view the front of all expansion boxes. I know Everdell did this with their “Nesting Box” equivalent.
Steinar: Sometimes I see people mounting game boxes on their wall, which can look really nice. You can also buy art prints for each cover bird directly from the artists (see link on the above page).
I slice the sides off of old expansion boxes and adhere the cardboard box art to my wall or cabinet in the game room. If you put it in a picture frame it looks like a full art print. Gor free. No more regret from tossing old game boxes straight in the trash.
Jamey, what time on November 2 will pre-ordering open? I want this Nesting Box so badly, and I’m worried that you’ll sell out of them all in the first five minutes. You see, with my luck, my tablet will process too slowly and finally submit at the sixth minute. 😒
Julia: I can say for sure that it will be live by 10:00 am Central; however, it may go live up to an hour earlier than that. I don’t want to cause any stress, so please let me reassure you that if we somehow sell out of all 10,000 Nesting Boxes, we’ll make more. :)
Thank you, Jamey. I’ll be refreshing my computer every 30 seconds that morning waiting for it to go live. :) I’m impatient to get the Nesting Box this first go-around; I definitely cannot wait until the second round to get it.
What will be the best way to order the Nesting Box for delivery in New Zealand?
The best way is also the only way: From our Australia/NZ webstore on November 2.
Will shipments to countrys in EU be sent from within EU, so they don’t get stuck in customs and also won’t get the extra tax for non-EU-shipments. It can really affect the end prize 😬
I just replied to this comment lower on the chain, but just so it’s here as well: We ship from within Europe–customs and extra tax are not a factor for the way we ship. This is explained on this page of our website: https://stonemaiergames.com/shop/eu-brexit/
I see the box includes another bird feeder. It’s different design or just a spare? I kinda destroyed mine when tried to put it together 😅 so this is a welcome addition
It is just a spare, but we’ve made some small design adjustments to the punchboard to make it more intuitive to assemble. The adjusted version is what we now offer in new printings of Wingspan.
Thank you! You know if it’s possible to order the NestingBox and later add stuff to my order like “my little scythe”?
That’s a great question, and we’ve been discussing the feasibility of it with our fulfillment centers. Because the Nesting Box is completely prepacked, we strongly recommend that people place separate orders if they want the Nesting Box plus other items.
Hi Jamey, I’ve been holding off getting the Oceania expansion due to storage issues and I’m not sure i want the Nesting Box due to its size, but the large card tray would alleviate my concerns; do you plan to sell the it seperately on your store? I would greatly appreciate it!
Brandon: Thanks for your question. I’m sorry, but ala carte components are extremely difficult to offer in terms of logistics, so we won’t be able to offer any of the trays inside the Nesting Box separately.
I’m guessing the nesting box will be a bit of an investment (i.e. expensive). How will you package the nesting box to prevent dings? For context, I just received another critter related, all-in big box and the lid corners are dinged. Ultimately the game is complete and playable, and, to prevent waste, I won’t ask for a replacement. It’s still disappointing to spend a couple of hundred dollars to receive a less than perfect product. Thanks.
Heather: To make sure the Nesting Boxes arrive in mint condition, we had our factory securely prepackage them with plenty of padding. While it’s still possible for a courier to really do a number on a box, this prepackaging method should do its job quite well. :)
Thanks for thinking this through!
Will Stonemaier Champions get first access to this before the general public, or will it be released to everyone at the same time?
There is no Champion benefit that involves early access–products go live on our webstore at the same time to everyone. Champion benefits include a 20% discount on all Stonemaier products and prioritized shipping before non-Champion customers in their region.
Could the Nesting Box and Asia be picked up in St. Louis to help with the large size and shipping cost?
I would love if that were possible, but the warehouse we work with here does not allow local pickups.
For the deeper bird tray that holds cards in 3 different wells (similar to the ones in prior base/expansion boxes), how many total bird cards will it be able to hold (not sleeved)? I’m assuming it won’t be able to hold ALL of the bird cards, or won’t be able to eventually with future expansions and that the idea is to fill it up as much as possible, and leave the remaining bird cards in the box (possibly separated with the ‘recent’ card divider.
It’s about twice as deep as the original bird card tray, so it should hold around 400 unsleeved birds.
Will shipments to countrys in EU be sent from within EU, so they don’t get stuck in customs and also won’t get the extra tax for non-EU-shipments. It can really affect the end prize 😬
We ship from within Europe–customs and extra tax are not a factor for the way we ship. This is explained on this page of our website: https://stonemaiergames.com/shop/eu-brexit/
is the nesting box with asia inside going to be an exclusive to your site?
Sure, here’s how we answer this on the above page: “This is a very expensive product to make and freight ship, so it will only be available directly from Stonemaier Games and our localization partners (retail availability would require too much of a markup). There is a maximum of 1 Nesting Box per order, as they are prepackaged and will push our shipping size/weight thresholds.”
One per shipment makes sense but is this strictly a shipping requirement or a general quantity restriction? I signed up for Champion and I was hoping to get my own nesting box/Asia expansion as well as another of the whole set as a gift for my best friend. Will I be able to place two separate orders for the nesting box using my champion account?
You can add other things to your order–they’ll just put the prepacked big box inside of an even bigger box with the other items. Or if you want multiple Nesting Boxes, you can place multiple orders (each with a max of 1 Nesting Box).
Yay!! Thanks so much for the info sir :)
Hello, they note in the details of the page that due to the cost of production, they will be the only seller. It will not be available from other sites or stores (other than re-sellers.)
I’d like more end game bonus tiles.
Good afternoon,
I know this includes the Asia expansion “everything but the box” for eco-friendly purposes. I have the base game, but no other expansions. 1) are you planning any discounts/package deals/etc. on other Wingspan content when the Nesting Box is available? and 2) If I were to add Europe or Oceania (or both), could I get those “everything but the box” packaged inside the Nesting Box?
I just thought the question might be worth asking.
Thanks!
-Mike
Think this is a great question, and one I look forward to seeing the answer to! I have every intent to buy the Nesting Box, and if there were a way I could get the future expansions in a more eco-friendly way, I’d definitely be interested.
Mike and Matthew:
1. Yes, typically when we do a preorder, we discount other products within the same brand–that’s the plan for early November.
2. No, the Nesting Box is prepackaged (and even if it weren’t, our fulfillment centers don’t pack products within other products), and the only form in which we’ve made the other expansions are within their boxes.
Thanks, Jamey! I wonder, though… would you consider offering a version of future expansions that might come in plain boxes, or something like that? That specific option wouldn’t really cut down on cardboard usage overall, but it might save on resources in terms of being able to use lower-end or less-processed cardboard for shipment, or by cutting out dye and other printing-related elements.
On one hand, just thinking of ways to help the environmental impact of the game production for folks like myself who are planning to get the Nesting Box and will store everything in there as intended (honestly, I’d get a “plain” version of future expansions even if it were the same price as one with a fully art-designed box if it might help in that regard, since I’d likely just be putting the box in the recycling either way). On the other hand, though, I could understand how it might actually make things harder for manufacturing since it would add extra steps to the process to differentiate and track what would essentially be two different products, so maybe the cost would be too steep from a production standpoint.
Still, given the theme of the game, curious if there are any options at all on the table from your perspective to help reduce waste for Nesting Box owners.
Absolutely! We’re looking at more eco-friendly packaging for every expansion across all brands (we’re trying an experiment with a different product using a disposable envelope next year). It depends heavily on the components in the expansion, though, as we need to make sure they are packaged well. I wouldn’t say that there’s a big environmental difference between a printed box and a plain corrugated box, though, and the sheer number of people who have expressed disappointment that the Wingspan Asia box isn’t included inside the Nesting Box makes me wary to sell a plain box.
All good points—and you certainly know more about me (and probably everyone else commenting in this miles-long thread) about game production in terms of what’s involved at each step of the process. I know there are a lot of conversations going around about plastic vs wood, excess cardboard, etc, etc, etc, within the hobby, and I’m mostly just happy to hear a little bit about what’s being looked into in that field.
The last thing I’ll say—if anyone has expressed disappointment about not getting the Wingspan Asia box, it’s a testament to the incredible work of the artists involved with the project!!! I know I was certainly blown away when I saw the magnificent peacock, but I take comfort knowing that everything on the boxes so far have also been on the cards. :)
SWEET!! Or should I say tweet!!. This is a must have. Already sent to my family as a XMAS present
Will Asia be the final expansion or will there be more room in the Nesting Box for future expansions?
Our hope has always been to have an expansion for every continent, so in no particular order we still have Antarctica, Africa, and Latin America. The Nesting Box is designed to hold all of them.
I’m looking forwards to getting a nice big Nesting Box to hold my content together. However I’m concerned as I have been using the folded space insert for the last year or two so no longer have the card trays. I also think I got rid of the original boards too….
Will the Nesting Box provide new larger card boxes? Or will it use the ones from the various expansions/core?
If it requires the use of the prior card trays will it be possible to buy new replacements ones?
“Will the Nesting Box provide new larger card boxes? Or will it use the ones from the various expansions/core?”
All of the components in the Nesting Box are noted on the above page.
“If it requires the use of the prior card trays will it be possible to buy new replacements ones?”
The Nesting Box does not require the use of inserts like the one found in the Wingspan core game (such inserts can give you more storage space if you add them to the Nesting Box, but they are not required). We don’t sell them on their own.
Will it be possible to acquire the bigbox with the asia expansion, in other languages, in my case, for example, the output Spanish?
“The Nesting Box is language independent, though all first-printing copies made and sold by Stonemaier Games include an English copy of Wingspan Asia inside the box. The following localization partners also acquired copies of the Nesting Box without the expansion inside (to sell as they wish, with or without their version of Wingspan Asia–please ask them how and when they will sell the Nesting Box): Surfin Meeple, Wanted Games, Korea Board Games, Matagot, Grok, Ghenos, Maldito, Deltavision, and Mindok.”
How much will this cost?
We will reveal the cost on the preorder day. It will not be inexpensive.
I really don’t like the individually numbered box thing. They don’t look nice and ruin the asthetics of the box art. Usually, the numbers are never aligned, and are huge in big print runs. (Example: It is not the same a 73/100 than a 6539/15000, the first one is unique and meaningful while the second one is just an ugly number)
I’d prefer a sticker / card that you can keep it inside the box. Any chance to get a non printed numbering Big Box? I am sure I am not the only one…
I would like mine embossed with my initials. I would also like it to be covered in gold leaf and numbered with a giant number that wraps around the entire box.
All of the Nesting Boxes we’ve made so far are individually numbered; given that this is an expensive, premium product, we think the individual numbering makes sense for those who want it. However, I can certainly consider a reprint in 2023 that does not include individual numbering. The personalized embossing might be tough, though, Stephen! :)
This is a travesty. I’ll get it anyway, though.
Where are the duet (black and white yin-Yang) components intended to be stored in the Nesting Box? Baggies?
I think they’ll best fit in one of the 3 in-game trays (which are primarily for food and eggs, but there’s more than enough room in just 2 of those trays for all food and eggs).
Do the cats in the pics come with the nesting box? If so, I might have to find another place to stash my birds… ;-)
So excited for this!
I’ll talk to Biddy and Walter to see how they feel about that. :)
Will be it released in all languages or English only?
The Nesting Box is language independent, but if you’re looking for Wingspan Asia in other languages, there’s a list of partners on the page above. :)
Can you include an instruction sheet IN THE BOX showing where items go rather than just posting it on the website as in for the Viticulture box?
Yep, it’s there, printed on the bottom of the lid.
Did you guys have a price set for the nesting box and the Asia expansion yet?
We’re 99% sure about the standard prices and preorder discount prices, and when we’re 100% sure (typically the day before preorder day), we’ll let everyone know!
Now we just need an easy way to shuffle all of those cards!
We actually tested a manual card shuffler for consideration with the Nesting Box, but it didn’t work all that well and took up a ton of space, so we ditched the idea. Fortunately you don’t actually need to play with all the cards–you can mix and match as you wish. :)
Ha, that would be pretty amazing if it worked. My kids are old enough to play the game now, so I have a couple of manual card shufflers on hand occasionally. :)
I love this box design and the insert is perfect for cards. It’s so nice when cards can stand vertically in the box! Who designed the insert? I could use some “example” images for an upcoming project of my own and probably need to talk to a box designer anyway!
Thanks! This was a joint effort between me and Panda (our manufacturer).
Impressive work for sure! Maybe I’ll reach out to my own manufacturer and see if I can get some illustration examples from them. Thanks for the idea :)
could you point out which international partner is in which country? Reason for this is that the Dutch partner doesn’t want to sell them and we have to find one “in the neighbourhood”.
@Framegote I think we can just order on the SG website and they will deliver it to us, probably through Spiral Galaxy Games right? It’s a shame that tho 999games doesn’t sell it 😬
Hi, can’t wait to ad this expansion and nesting box to my collection. Thank you for all your hard work! I live in the Netherlands is there any news if the nesting box with or without Asia expansion will be available in the eu, Germany or Netherlands? I so badly want the nesting box to bundle al my Wingspan games.
Absolutely! Sorry if this isn’t clear–here’s how we say it a few paragraphs above this on this page: “The Nesting Box will be available for preorder from Stonemaier Games in November 2022, followed within a few weeks by preorder fulfillment from fulfillment centers in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia.”
Hi, I’m so excited for the nesting box and the Asia expansion! Would any of them be available to preorder (or even regular order) in Israrl?
Israel*
Hi Jamey,
Will the playmats in the Asia expansion be available in the store at a later date? I like how the overall contrast between Oceania side and it.
They’ll just be available in cardboard form in Wingspan Asia itself (they’re mechanically identical to the rubber playmats on the webstore).
I love the birds inside the box, and the ‘guide’ on the inside top of the box. The so called ‘little things’ that really make a difference. Beautiful, and very functional.
How does it work for the Asian market. Fulfillment from Australia?
We ship to Asia from the US.
Looks amazing! I think it’s time I get on the wingspan train. Would love to see something like this for Tapestry!
Absolutely. Tapestry Big Box! It’s an idea whose time has come!!!!
Think it was said everything Tapestry could fit in the base box with a revised insert.
Does the nesting box fit Fantasy Flight Games sleeves? FFG sleeves are a little taller than most other sleeves, so when something says it supports sleeves, it usually means normal sleeves, not FFG sleeves. All my cards are sleeved with FFG and now GameGenic makes the same length sleeves as well. Thanks!
It does! We left plenty of room for sleeves of various dimensions.
Thanks Jamey! Glad to hear it. Looking forward to preordering!
Hi Jamey,
Since my wife is an avid bird nerd and knows all the birds by their Swedish names, we’re collecting the Wingspan games with the Swedish translations. I assume the Asia expansion version included in this first printing of the Nesting Box is the English version.
Will the Nesting Box be released later without the Asia expansion, so that we can buy the Swedish Asia expansion separately? (Presuming that this expansion will also be translated)
Or could we be oh so lucky to be able to have the Nesting Box with the Swedish version??
Hi Simon! The Nesting Box will be available without the expansion sometime in 2023. The Swedish version of the expansion will be printed by Asmodee Nordics, but the timing of that release is up to them to announce. I don’t believe they’ll be printing their own Nesting Box+Expansion combo.
Thank you Joe for the quick reply! :)
So sounds like I should be waiting for the Swedish version to be released then!
Hi Jamey,
I see in product details that “There will be a maximum of 1 Nesting Box per order”. I originally thought I saw max was 2. Did you guys decide to change this? Only reason I ask is that I my brother and sister in law live this game as much as I do and I wanted to purchase 2 and surprise them for Xmas with one for them one for me.
I think there was a question about it at some point before we had officially decided to set the max at 1. It’s a big product that is prepackaged, so while a person could place multiple orders, we’re setting the max at 1 per order.
It says the nesting box includes a cardboard birdfeeder dice tower? Does this mean we will get a second dice tower?
We’ve included another cardboard birdfeeder dice tower in the Nesting Box, as many people have mentioned that theirs is worn down (and can now be recycled).
Thanks for updating the pre-order date from Q4 to November. Can at least take the month of October off from daily check-ins (yes I’m signed up for notifications, but my email inbox is a mess of junk mail so emails go unnoticed).
Hi Jamey, I was wondering if the Nesting Box will be available for purchase via the European StoneMaier store, or only via this one?
Tried to find the answers on this page and comments but didn’t find anything, apologies if it’s been previously answered.
Here’s what we say under “Release details” on the above page: “The Nesting Box will be available for preorder from Stonemaier Games in November 2022, followed within a few weeks by preorder fulfillment from fulfillment centers in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia.” So if you order on our European webstore, the Nesting Box will ship from our European fulfillment center.
I’m very new to sleeving (started last month with Wingspan actually, the art is just too gorgeous!) – do 80 micron sleeves fall more on the thin or thick premium side of things? I’d love to know if 80-micron-sleeved cards will all fit in the nesting box, but even just having a general idea would be great.
80 is medium thickness, and yes, they should all fit. :)
That’s awesome, thank you so much!
Couple of questions –
1. Does this box have room for future expansions as well? I am assuming Antarctica, Africa etc. are still in the plan.
2. When you say the first print will come with Asia expansion, do you mean that the expansion will be packed inside the nesting box? In that case will I have the option to order both separately as I might want the box separately.
Here’s what we say in the very first paragraph on this page: “The Nesting Box is an organize/storage box for all Wingspan content and cards (sleeved or unsleeved). This modular box is designed for all past, present, and future content.” So yes, that includes all remaining expansions.
Here’s what we say in the last bullet point (among the items included): “Wingspan Asia (everything but the box–thanks for making an eco-friendly choice! If you want the box art on your wall, buying this print directly and solely supports illustrators Natalia and Ana)”. So you are correct that Wingspan Asia’s components are inside the Nesting Box, but not the Wingspan Asia box, which isn’t necessary since it’s already stored in the Nesting Box.
What does that mean for future expansions? Will they come in a separate illustrated box, like Oceania and Asia, or will they be in more of a “minimal/essential only” box(es)?
Probably both? It depends on the components in those expansions.
Would the price range from say $150 – $175, or would it be something a bit more expensive?
We’ll reveal the price when the preorder goes live! :)
I am very excited about this nesting box. The top layer is very functional. I like the modular design of the middle layer to aid in storage. And the third layer looks like it fits much of the overflow storage material a lot of players still have. Will the middle layer also have straps for easier removal and access to the third layer?
Thanks! Just the top layer has straps.
FAQ says: “The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards….between the removable tray and the right side”. Is there an estimate on how many of those 1100 will fit in the tray, vs. the right side? Apologies if this was already answered and I missed it.
I would say it’s about a 50/50 split.
Will the nesting box somehow be available in South Africa?
Due to a low success rate of shipments arriving, we currently don’t ship to South Africa, but you could ship to a forwarding address in another region and then have that address ship to you. I’ve heard good things about the service called Shipito.
Thanks for the quick reply! Too bad about the shipping issues. I’ve had great fun with Wingspan and the expansions to date bought locally. I am expecting to visit the US over December this year. Any luck in being able to buy while I am in the US? If so, how would you recommend I go about it. I’d probably be in Florida and New York.
It seems your only real option would be to order it online and have it ship to where you will be. Though it will be a large item to take as luggage home as well. Just make sure it will show up before you will be at the location.
Jamey, as someone subscribed to the comments for this page, I am incredibly annoyed at all the people who ask questions THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED in the FAQ. How do you not get more annoyed?
As a high school teacher, I respect how patient you are being with your customers — especially how you keep showing them where their question has previously been answered in the FAQ. You deserve a Nobel or something for your patience and kind tone. I would definitely get sassy with my students if they repeatedly asked me questions that had already been answered.
[Please don’t feel the need to respond to this email. I’d rather you get to focus your time on things you *want* to do than responding to the comments on this page.]
{Also, I’m very excited for the nesting box and appreciate that you sought out customer opinions, though I wouldn’t blame you if you never did it again lol.}
Thanks Jeremy! I view every question as a way to improve this page and the FAQ. :)
Any chance you guys will be at PAX Unplugged in Philly this December?
I’m sorry, but we won’t be there.
Will there be plenty of opportunity to get the Nesting Box with the Asia expansion when it releases, or do you need to be a Stonemaier champion for a shot at the first printing?
It’ll be available to everyone at the same time (though the math of the 20% discount definitely makes sense for a Champion membership for a product like this). We really have very little idea of if we made too many or too few, but if we need to make more, we’ll make more. :)
Will you be able to order 2+ copies at preorder?
Either 1 or 2 will be the max.
I really need this Nesting Box right now! Every time I want to play (which is daily), I have to get my eggs and food out of the original box, my cards out of the European expansion box, and my player boards out of the Oceania box. We enjoy playing with all the birds and can’t wait for the Asian expansion inside the much needed Nesting Box. Thank you, Jamey, for producing it. Can we just get the ships, trains, trucks to speed up? Can mine be delivered today even though Q4 is not even here yet? 😂
I’ll get on a call with the ships to see what I can do. :)
We leave it laying on the table (for weeks). Ark Nova has been on our table for 4 weeks…..but we have 1 large table that will hold 2 games, and one real game table…..we have Brass Birmingham on the other….
But it certainly is time consuming to do setup daily as opposed to running cards through a card shuffler……
Will the future expansions have discounted boxless versions for those who opt for the nesting box?
Becky: We need to protect the components of any game for the purpose of getting it to you. A box may not always be required for that purpose, but often it will be. We’re always seeking ways for our products to be more eco-friendly, though!
So for those who get the nesting box, only the Asia expansion will be boxless? That’ll be an OCD nightmare for me. 😂 Can I just buy the Asia box on its own?
There’s no need for any box other than the Nesting Box. Here’s how we answer your question in the FAQ.
Can I buy the Wingspan Asia box with the Nesting Box?
The first printing of the Nesting Box includes Wingspan Asia (except the Wingspan Asia box, which isn’t necessary because it’s stored in the Nesting Box. This is an eco-friendly measure we’ve taken to avoid waste and excess). If you really, really want the Wingspan Asia box, we don’t have empty boxes for sale, so you’ll can simply buy Wingspan Asia and wait for a future printing of the Nesting Box that doesn’t have the expansion inside.
Oh, that works too. Thanks for the heads up! I’ll buy the expansion, then. Can’t wait for the empty nesting box! It’s really beautiful. ❤️
Alternatively you could buy both, keep the Wingspan Asia box, and sell the contents of the box quite easily on BGG, Facebook Marketplace, etc. I’m sure you’d get a taker from someone who just wants to put that contents in their base game box anyways.
Hi! I have a question about the neoprene mats. I’m on the fence about purchasing them because I’m concerned that a future expansion will make more changes to the board (as Oceana did), requiring me to purchase another full set. With a full set of mats costing more than the base game, buying two sets makes for a lot of expense. I know you can’t predict the future, but do you *think* future expansions will add to the board, or are we safe with the mats as currently designed?
Mike: We try really hard to not create situations where customers regret past purchases. While we have no plans to change the mechanisms of the player mats, even if we do, the original mat and the Oceania mat will remain valid and integral to the Wingspan experience.
October is almost here!… Okay I’m holding out for the earliest part of Q4.
time creeps in its petty pace day by day. Tick Tock. Can’t wait!!!!
Oh boy, this looks amazing! The box-less Asia expansion is also a nice touch, always appreciate an eco-friendly option.
Just a quick question: are you planning on having the base game + other expansions also be available without boxes in the future? I’ll probably have two full sets in different languages by the end, and while I’m fine with keeping one set of boxes for display purposes I’d have no use for a second set (and throwing them away would be a terrible waste). Players who want the big box from the get-go could also benefit from the option.
Thanks Giulia! While we don’t plan on consolidating to that extent, what might happen in the future when we have another new expansion is we may make another printing of the Nesting Box at the same time as that expansion and do the same thing we’re doing with Wingspan Asia (including it inside the Nesting Box).
Aw, I see… ah well, I’ll find another use for the extra boxes, no way I’m missing out on this one. Thank you so much for the quick reply, have a good one!
I see a lot of space wasted in the box, have you considered making a less bulky solution (to bring the game to gatherings) in a similar vein on how Root manages to fit it’s content tightly into the boxes?
Yes, as you can see by reading through the “prototype progression” articles on this page, we considered everything for this box. We still have 4 more expansions–there is no wasted space when you consider people who want everything for Wingspan.
Hello. Will the first printing of the Nesting Box + Asia be a cheaper total price than buying the second printing of the Nesting Box and Asia separate? Thank you for your time.
I can’t say for sure, Nathan, as a lot of it depends on the state of worldwide freight shipping at the time, but I can say with close to near certainty that buying the Nesting Box with Wingspan Asia inside will be cheaper than buying the two separately.
On eBay you can pick up some spare parts for the game. I bought a bird tray there last month.
Is there a way to get replacement bird trays if they are needed for the big box? I bought the folded space insert and they weren’t required and sadly mine were recycled a while back :(
Stacey: Thanks for your question. We don’t sell bird trays separately, but (a) there is a big bird tray (and plenty of built-in space for cards) in the Nesting Box, and we designed the central area of the nesting box to fit custom inserts like the one you have, so that will store cards as well.
I am so excited for this box and can’t wait for it to be released! Is it Q4 yet!?!
Hello,
I’d like to order nesting box, but I have a question about it. I have read somewhere (idk exactly where it was :D ), that there will probably be expansions for all continents (excluding Antarctica). Will nesting box fit all other expansions that will come? :-)
Thanks for an answer.
Sorry, I didn’t noticed FAQ section. There is everything what I wanted to know.
Keep up the good work!
I’m not interested in the box – for now. Would it be available in the future, say, after all expansions have been released, but without Asia expansion packaged with.
Sure, here’s how we answer this in the above FAQ:
Can I buy just the Nesting Box (not the new expansion)?
The first printing of the Nesting Box will align with production of the next Wingspan expansion (Wingspan Asia), so we will pack the expansion inside the box for those who want to buy both from us at the same time, therefore reducing shipping costs (freight shipping is VERY expensive right now, particularly for big products like this, and it has a direct result on the price of the product). The expansion will also be available separately for those who don’t want the Nesting Box. When freight shipping costs permit, the box will be available by itself.
Are the resource/egg trays white/opaque like in The Mill’s video or are they clear like in the photos on this page?
They’re white–several photos on this page show the white versions.
The only white tray I see on this page are the ones holding the dice and player tokens. All the resource trays are clear, unless im missing something.
Good point. I’m adding a photo now that shows that the food/egg trays are also white.
Will the nesting box ship to an APO address?
Will the Wine crate be available at the time of the Nesting Box release?
No, they’re completely different product lines on different schedules. The Wine Crate is out of stock in every region except Europe; we’ll have it back in stock in 2023.
Will the nesting box fit sleeved cards?
Yes. Just to help others with the same question, can you let us know where you looked for this answer on this webpage? (We note several times on this page that the Nesting Box fits sleeved cards, but we must not be mentioning it in the right place.)
Is there going to be vertical art on the box for vertically storing in a kallax/similar?
We do that for most of our boxes, but the Nesting Box is designed to fill an entire Kallax compartment in its horizontal orientation, so we aligned all of the art for that orientation.
I’m excited for this, I just hope the plastic inserts are of a better quality, and fit sleeved cards better, than the viticulture big box. Still an instant buy go me though:)
The Nesting Box looks even better than I hoped! It’s spectacular! Thank you for the video. I just don’t know how I can possibly wait until Q4 to get it.
Excited to see the final version of the box! Will Team Covenant Wingspan subscribers have access to the Nesting Box, or will they only get the Asia Expansion? I’ve been using their service to manage my Wingspan preorders, so if they’re just getting the regular expansion I’ll need to cancel my subscription so I can preorder the Nesting Box.
The Nesting Box is far too expensive to be a retail product, especially with the added layer of freight shipping to get the box to a retailer or distributor. However, we appreciate Covenant’s partnership for Wingspan, so we’ll talk to them to see if the math works out for the Nesting Box. My understanding is that you could cancel your membership just this one product and renew it afterwards for future expansions.
If the Nesting Box holds only 10 player mats, does that mean that it’s expected that all future expansions will not involve alternate player mats, like Oceania?
It holds 5 neoprene mats and 10 folded player mats, with some extra space. It’s expected that you’ll need no more than 4 unique player mat types across all expansions.
Do you have any international partner from Portugal? I know Divercentro did have the base game and European expasion, but no news on Oceania, do you know if they contacted you for this new expansion?
Divercentro is indeed our partner in Portugal, and you’re correct that they have not chosen to make Oceania or Asia yet (but we would welcome them too).
Will first run copies be available through the Canadian web store?
Here’s what we say a few lines up on this page:
Release Details: The Nesting Box will be available for preorder from Stonemaier Games in early Q4 2022, followed within a few weeks by preorder fulfillment from fulfillment centers in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia.
And UK?!
The UK is very much in Europe (it’s not part of the EU anymore, but it’s still in Europe). So the above statement applies: “US, Canada, Europe, and Australia.”
in the FAQ you say “Between the core game and the European and Oceania expansions, there are 356 bird cards; we estimate that the remaining 4 expansions will double that quantity for a total of around 700 bird cards.”
Is this a mistake or will there be a total of 6 extensions?
The text is correct, as there are 4 expansions remaining (Asia, followed in no particular order by Africa, Latin America, and Antarctica). That will eventually bring the total number of expansions to 6.
Is there exist in French or only in English?
The Nesting Box is language independent. Matagot, our French partner, will have some units of it (please ask them if you have questions about how they plan to release it).
I see the new picture of the outside of the Nesting Box and I was slightly disappointed. I was hoping the main color would be the blue from the base game and instead it has become…for lack of a better word…beige-like. What drove the decision on the color of the box and the decision of which birds to put on it (especially since I don’t remember seeing that Toucan before :D)
The Nesting Box is primarily pink (not beige), with yellow and blue watercolor. Natalia created several watercolor backgrounds, and we chose the one that worked best. She and Ana illustrated birds to represent each continent to feature on the 5 sides of the box.
Understood. I can see why you’re saying pink – still was hoping for something more blue/green/purple but I get that this is a subjective call (unless you have proven that certain colors and birds lead to more sales – in which case I bow to your marketing genius). Maybe you could do another set of custom boxes for charity this year! :D
The Nesting Boxes will be in this year’s charity auction. I can’t say I’m a marketing genius by any means, but I can say I’m really happy with how the Nesting Box looks–I’ve had different versions sitting in my office for months now. It’s stylistically similar yet purposely distinct from the blue/green, purple, and orange we’ve already seen on Wingspan boxes.
Will the SM Championship discount apply for nesting box? Might be a good chance for us to add a few items with it.
Definitely! Stonemaier Champions get 20% off all webstore products, and the Nesting Box will be on our webstore. This discount applies all the time, so you don’t need to wait for the Nesting Box to order anything you want. :)
Is there any chance for the box without the Asia expansion? For those who have the game in language other than English?
Marcin: There is a very good chance that will happen someday (maybe even the second printing in 2023)–it all depends on freight shipping costs going down a little bit.
Hi All!
Did I understand correctly, nesting box will be available to buy separately? In Poland we haven’t received any confirmation from Rebel about the box so I’m thinking about buying the original nesting box and polish version of Wingspan in that case :/
Anna: The first print run of the Nesting Boxes will all have the English version of Wingspan Asia inside the box. Some of our international partners also bought the Nesting Box by itself; Rebel was not one of them.
Ugh, I’ll wait for the availability of sole nesting box then :(
Thank you for your reply!
Just heard that 999 will not make the Nesting Box available in The Netherlands. Which means that I’m definitely in for a box without the Asia expansion, because I’ll buy the Dutch version of Asia. So if you ever consider printing these boxes apart from Asia, I hope this comment helps in that direction.
Cheers!
Heey Jasper! How did you know this about 999games? :)
On Bordspelmania, the Dutch/Belgium forum for boardgamers. Check https://www.bordspelmania.eu/nieuws-en-geruchten/topic32424.html.
can i order this through an LGS?
Unfortunately the margins aren’t there to make this a reasonably priced retail product, especially with freight shipping the way it is.
So the remaining 4 expansions ….
Asia
Africa
South America
and ……
We’ve announced Asia, and the others we hope to do (in no particular order) are Africa, Latin America, and Antarctica.
I’d die for farm birds too
Safe to assume the nesting box is accounting extra room for those upcoming expansions?
It isn’t just safe to say–it’s detailed on this product page! :)
Antarctica? Whoa. I didn’t realize there were enough birds there for an Expansion. Now I’m really looking forward to that one!
Thanks for showing us the box art. It’s great! How will you notify Champions of the date when we can order it? I hope via email because I am a rare bird who doesn’t have any social media accounts.
Julia: We always send an email notice to Champions a day or so in advance to let you know exactly when new products will go live. Also, if you look near the top of this page, there’s a button that says “Notify Me Upon Launch”–that’s a way for anyone to know when the Nesting Box is available.
Perfect! Thank you, Jamey. I can’t wait!
Will WS Asia Expansion be available separately before the Nesting Box? I would prefer to order it and the NB together but not if they come out separately a month or two apart. Thanks.
Wingspan Asia by itself and the Nesting Box with Wingspan Asia inside will be available at the exact same time on our webstore.
Any possibility of paying a bit more to get the physical Asia box along with the nesting box purchase?
Sure! Just buy Wingspan Asia and then also buy the Nesting Box with Wingspan Asia inside. Those are the two SKUs we offer.
Great. Thanks for the quick reply. I’m glad we can get both at the same time.
How will this box handle the neoprene mats for the players. I wanted to buy some but was afraid they wont fit
Here’s how we answer this in the FAQ:
Will the Nesting Box hold the neoprene playmats?
Yes, the top layer is designed to hold the neoprene playmats, laid completely flat.
Hello Jamey ,
I own everything for Wingspan so far . I even have a bunch of the Bird Maples from Meeplesource. Will those fit in this box as well?
Here’s what we say about these player tokens in the FAQ:
Will the Nesting Box hold third-party accessories, inserts, and dice towers (e.g., custom food tokens)?
These trays can hold the tokens provided with Wingspan and/or larger tokens bought from third-party accessory companies (these photos show Meeplesource upgrades), though it may be difficult to fit big custom player tokens in the middle-layer trays. There’s plenty of room for them in the bottom layer.
Oooh. Gotta have this!!!!!!!!!
Will we get to preorder this early if we have a champion subscription?
Preorders open for everyone at the same time–we can’t control who can or can’t see a product on our webstore. However, Champions will know in advance the exact time the product is going live. Also, we’re making plenty of these boxes, and if we somehow do sell out quickly, we’ll make more.
Jamey, this nesting box has made e decide that I must now jump on the Wingspan wagon. I have nothing but want everything, so what all will I need to buy? Base game, Europe expansion, Oceania expansion, double-sided neoprene mats, and nesting box?
Thanks Julia! We offer a bundle of all the core elements we’ve made so far (the game itself and the two expansions). Optional additions are the neoprene mats and the speckled eggs, and the puzzles.
Everything available so far is listed here: https://store.stonemaiergames.com/collections/wingspan
The Nesting Box (with Wingspan Asia inside) will be available later this year.
Thanks, Jamey! I now have all the core elements (base game, Europe exp., Oceania exp.), and am loving it all. Wingspan should come with a warning label: highly addictive. I bet we’ve played it a dozen times in two days. Can’t wait for the Nesting Box!
The space for the bird feeder looks deep. I’ve glued mine so that it no longer disassembles – will it fit into the Nesting Box? Thanks!
Is yours entirely glued, or is it still two parts (tower and tray). If they’re two parts—like mine—they will fit! :)
Unfortunately glued as one piece, not in 2 parts. I love it so much I wanted it to last forever as a solid structure, haha. So it won’t fit… no worries, thanks Jamey!
Is Broken Token supporting this product with an insert or add on inserts?
We have agreements with many third-party insert creators that authorize them to make inserts independent of us. The Broken Token is not one of them.
Fair enough. Thanks for the reply Jamey.
This should really come with a handle….or a fabric “cover” that comes with a handle? B/c it’s coming in q4, I am most likely late to this news. I’m sure we can all hack something together individually haha.
can’t wait though. Asian expansion here I come!!!!
whoops typed too soon (I’m very excited, I am today years old when I learned this expansion and box are coming). Seems there might be handles based on pics?
Indeed, there are handles on the top layer of the Nesting Box. :)
In Brazil (country I live) the partner responsible for wingspan is Grok. Do you have any ideia if Grok will release the nesting box here? Just to know if I will need to get it overseas or if it will be avaiable here. Thx
I appreciate you asking, but that’s Grok’s information to share. Can you please ask them?
My copy of Wingspan and bot expensions are French versions distributed by Matagot.
Usually those get release a couple of month after the original one.
Will this Nesting box still be available then?
Or will it be possible to purchase only the box without the Asia expension, and later buy the French version from a retailer?
Just like any product, we’ll continue to make it if there’s demand for it. The first printing of the Nesting Box will have Wingspan Asia inside the box; subsequent printings most likely will not.
Will they be ready for the Spiel 22 in Essen? Maybe even in a german Version?
Stonemaier Games won’t be at Spiel ’22. It’s possible that the expansion will be there with some of our localization partners, but I’m not sure if they will expedite the Nesting Box to be there too.
Would you consider having a SM Champions vote on some part of the art work for the outer box? Perhaps we could choose a specific bird image?
That isn’t the type of decision we crowdsource, but I appreciate you asking. Also, the Nesting Box has already been in production for a few months–it’s far too late to change the art.
I have to have this box. Thank you for making this!
I’d love to get the Nesting Box, but looking at the pics I’m realizing I made a mistake: I threw away the plastic boxes for the cards, since I’m currently using a foam insert (by foldedspace)… 😬
So the question is: if I buy tne Nesting Box, and do NOT have the plastic boxes anymore, can I still use it somehow? Can I maybe get the plastic boxes again?
Absolutely, the Nesting Box is still fully functional even if you don’t have the plastic card tray from the original game. We do not sell them separately. Your Folded Space insert should fit into the Nesting Box as well.
Awesome, thank you, then I’m full in! :-)
FYI – The blue or purple box works brilliantly for Ark Nova ;p
Do you ship to an APO address?
We do!
I have a question regarding the shipping of the box. You mention the fulfillment centers, but nothing on centers within the EU, which sounds to me that shipping+tax will be really expensive.
We have a fulfillment center in Europe, Spiral Galaxy. No matter if you ship from the UK or from within the EU, customers will need to pay taxes. We take care of the duties. See here: https://stonemaiergames.com/shop/eu-brexit/
Do you have a fullfillment center in Brazil? If so, how does it work to buy something from SM website to be shipped here to Brazil? Thx
We don’t actually ship directly to Brazil–we’ve tried, but the success rate of arrivals is far too low. However, we will ship to any address in the US, so if you have a forwarding address, we’ll ship to it. There’s also a forwarding service called Shipito that I’ve heard good things about.
Just wanted to leave a comment that I’m still really excited about the box and to show some love to Jamey and the team.
I wish you all the best and thanks for all the work and the quick replies to questions.
Have an amazing day <3
So from the list of components it comes with another dice tower? (or is that an error)
Is there space to fit both in or are you just including another one in case peoples original one has become damaged over time?
That’s right! Not an error. Just another cardboard dice tower for those who have worn through their original (and we touched it up a bit to make it easier to assemble). The Nesting Box fits one birdfeeder.
Cool. Will have a spare dice tower to use with other games perhasp :-)
Will the box hold the third party bird meeples ?
This has already been answered, as have most of the questions that seem to pop up. I do realize there are lots and lots of questions. The answer is this. While it should be able to store 3rd party accessories, it really depends on how many you own and plan to store in the box. It has room for extras, I own the BGG “Bakelite” style resources and plan to store them in my box. I also own lots of eggs as i’ve purchased the speckled eggs. Will it hold everything that any 3rd party has created, no and i’m thankful for that. Who could fit that in their game shelf? :)
Great game!! I really hate to complain at all but the cardboard dice tower was garbage from the original game. We bought inserts that likely won’t work past the Oceania expansion due to the number of cards so I’m very interested in this nesting box. However, I’m concerned my wooden dice tower won’t fit in place of the cardboard dice tower. Will dimensions be available at some point so we can all see how our third party components might fit?
I’m not quite sure how to reply to this, Matt–as you can imagine, we put a lot of time, effort, and love into all of our components, including the dice tower. You can see from the photos how well things will fit.
I guess he’s just after the inner dimensions of the dice tower slot as he has a custom wooden dice tower.
In a lot more words and a few pretty harsh ones, probably yeah.
To be fair to both sides though; while the love and care that Jamey and the Stonemaier team put into their games is undeniable if you watch any of Jamey’s video’s on YouTube (huge fan), some decisions are still a bit iffy. I remember some designer choices about the Red Rising board and the insert of the collector’s edition that could’ve been made a bit more carefully.
I think that “garbage” is too harsh, but there’s some room for improvement, at least in my opinion. Personally, I cut off a little bit from the back part of the roof to make it a bit easier to insert the dice, as the opening is pretty small. It’s also card board and if you play the game on a regular basis, it can fall apart at a certain point (as mine sadly does).
A durable dice tower, with a design that allows for easier throwing is the ideal, so the question about dimensions and whether it’ll fit is pretty reasonable. On the other hand, it’s unreasonable to expect a game publisher to include such an expensive component when they want to retail a game for a reasonable price.
All in all, it’s nice if a more durable option is available and if it fits in the nesting box. Worry about that doesn’t excuse certain language towards a very involved publisher that obviously cares a lot about their products. Just ask nicely and, in my experience, you’ll receive a satisfying answer from Jamey.
I’m just sad that the only affordable option for me would be to craft a wooden dice tower myself, while I lack tools and have two left hands haha.
The cardboard dice tower we’re including in the Nesting Box is a slightly revised design geared towards easier assembly and better durability.
The measurements of the dice tower compartment are 190x96x96mm.
Hurrah!!!
Can you give an estimation as to how much this along with the new expansion will cost? I’m starting to save up for it and want an idea as to how much I’m going to need.
I would overshoot and save up $200. That way you should be pleasantly surprised and have plenty of leftover money afterwards.
Is there any hints as to which continent the next expansion will cover?
It was announced today in an email. It’s Asia.
The box for scythe was 30-50 with nothing in it. This will have a expansion. So I would guess. A 99$ price point. Depending on how much is in the new expansion.
They just did this with Viticulture (the wine crate and viticulture world expansion). I believe it was $70 for the box and expansion. If you are a stonemaier champion, you get 20% off every order (for only $15 per year). Could be worth it!
Will the Box also release in Europe? Will there be Versions with a translation in other languages?
Yes, we have a fulfillment center in Europe. Each of our localization partners has the option of carrying the Nesting Box.
And is there an option to order the nesting box and Asia expansion in Dutch?
The Nesting Box is language independent, though all first-printing copies made and sold by Stonemaier Games include an English copy of Wingspan Asia inside the box. The following localization partners also acquired copies of the Nesting Box without the expansion inside (to sell as they wish, with or without their version of Wingspan Asia–please ask them how and when they will sell the Nesting Box): Surfin Meeple, Wanted Games, Korea Board Games, Matagot, Grok, Ghenos, Maldito, Deltavision, and Mindok. As you can see, 999 Games is not on that list, so I would suggest expressing directly to them that you’d like them to join the second printing of the Nesting Box.
Is there a fifth prototype or final design?
The final design is as posted on this page (other than the full-color box, which I’ll reveal later).
How can I not get this? I love big box solutions! Also, I like the “nesting” bird ref. haha
Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I noticed the white tray has space to accommodate the player color markers. Are these wells large enough to support the bird upgrades from meeplesource?
Their birds are awesome, but our trays would need to be massive to fit them. They’ll instead fit into the bottom layer.
Hello
Will this box contain updated cards from the existing boxes? I know there are 4 bonus cards that have been updatet and read somewhere that there is a card with the same image as another and that there some cards that have spelling errors. It would be nice to really complete the set.
At least for the English version of Wingspan, misprinted cards only appeared in an early printing and haven’t been an issue for a long time. There are other ways to get them if you still don’t have them.
I dont know other ways. A friend photoshopped cards that you can paste on top of the 4 bonuscards with adaptions, but that means that anybody will be able to identyfy them. I have the Dutch lenguage version.
Will it fit sleeved cards? How many expansions?
The very first sentence on this page reads, “The Nesting Box is an organize/storage box for all Wingspan content and cards (sleeved or unsleeved).”
Also, the first entry within the FAQ on this page is:
Will the Nesting Box hold sleeved cards?
The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards (or 850 cards with thin sleeves or 450 cards with thick premium sleeves) between the removable tray and the right side. Between the core game and the European and Oceania expansions, there are 356 bird cards; we estimate that the remaining 4 expansions will double that quantity for a total of around 700 bird cards. So if you have super thick premium sleeves, you will eventually need to place some of those cards in a card tray in the bottom layer of the big box.
Ha ha ha! Yes. I realized that. This explains why I learn rules better from youtube instead of an instruction manual.
The two obvious remaining expansions after Asia are Africa and South America. The organizer also shows spots for a 6th player, so that could be the final expansion, along with more birds from every continent if it results in a doubling of cards.
Hey! Awesome box! … but I have a question regarding the new expansion. There will be a new type of food? I’m asking because I want to buy the 3d printed ones and I m afraid that I won’t have the new food type (printed) :)) … Thank you and game on!
I appreciate your curiosity, but we haven’t revealed information about the expansion. You’ll know more when there’s a page for the expansion on our website.
holy crap, a new expansion. let me guess, birds of paradise
Been a while since I returned here and saw an update, the updates form the 3rd and the 4th prototype are very nice. I like the smaller trays vs the bigger ones from the 3rd prototype. Excited to get this box once its available.
Hey there, I like the idea of including the next expansion in the nesting box. It makes all kinds of sense. Are the boxes being shipped in shrinkwrap? I understand the necessities of shrinkwrap and hope a biodegradeable or compostable solution becomes affordable in the future, similar to Biotre bags. But if they aren’t, would you consider shipping other stuff that someone orders at the same time inside the Nesting box as well? I’d then plan on ordering neoprene mats at the same time as the box, and perhaps some extra eggs or something.
John: The Nesting Box will indeed have shrinkwrap. We’re currently experimenting with other solutions (a few of our expansions have stickers instead of shrinkwrap, and we’re still getting the idea of “gift wrapping” games off the ground), but for something as big and expensive as the Nesting Box, I think we need to stick with what we know. You can add other things to your order, but they won’t go inside the Nesting Box itself.
I understand you decided to include the new expansion inside the first printing of the Nesting Box. I’m very interested in the Nesting Box, but I’m afraid that the new expansion coming inside with it is inappropriate to me, because my version of the base game and its two present expansions are from your Dutch partners from publisher 999 Games are in Dutch, which wouldn’t mix well with an English version of the new expansion. I’d like to know if agreements on the pre-order of the Nesting Box’ first printing can be made, meaning that the new expansion can be kept out of it, because I’d want to collect that expansion in Dutch as well. Or do I really have to wait for the next printing to be launched for pre-order or sale on this site?
The first printing of the Nesting Box we make will include the next Wingspan expansion inside the box for the reasons described above. Our localization partners will have the option of selling the Nesting Box with their versions of the expansion too, so you can get it from 999 Games.
So if I understand correctly, there could be a change that 999Games might also sell the Nesting Box? I already assumed they’d sell the next expansion, but had doubts about the Nesting Box. I really hope they’ll get the nesting box as well!!
Can’t wait for further details about both! :)
Yes, we’re happy to supply things like that to our localization partners if they want it (like what we did with the metal doubloons for Libertalia).
I’ve been waiting for this!!!!! Haha I carry all my bits and such in a mess of a bag.
Can’t wait for this! Any idea how many future expansions might fit in there if/when they are made?
All of them! :) We’ve designed the box to fit all future expansions.
Will the expansion that comes inside the nesting box have it own individual box?
Nope, one of the eco-friendly positives of including the expansion in the Nesting Box is that it doesn’t need a box of its own!
Is it possible to have a paid option to include an individual box for the expansion for those who want it?
The only way to get the full Wingspan Asia box is to buy Wingspan Asia by itself.
What if I already have an organizer, but want the bigger box? Also, I have the BirdSong Dice Tower Bird feeder from Tower Rex. Will that fit inside?
Here’s our note about this on the above page: “The central area contains 5 plastic trays. Thus, if you already have a custom insert, there’s enough space here (284x240mm) to use your insert instead of these trays. The Nesting Box fits the standard birdfeeder dice tower (and custom equivalents of the same size).”
Just what I want to hear! Thank you, Jamey
The french version will be available to order?
That’s up to Matagot to decide, so please tell them you want it!
If I have the TowerRex organizer and the BirdSong Dice tower. I imagine it won’t fit into this organizer? I have a lovely setup. It’d be nice if this accommodated more room for customization.
Anything that fit into the original Wingspan box will definitely fit into the Nesting Box. But it just isn’t feasible for this box to be designed to fit giant custom birdfeeders that only a few hundred people own. :) Plus, you probably want to display them in your home anyway, not keep them in a box.
so a total of 6 trays included for the middle section.
1. What is the 1 dice tray for? I feel like that is something we have not seen yet…:)
2. is there still going to be a bird tray (similar to base game) included?
3. will there still be card dividers included? If so, how many card dividers?
4. no extra bird feeder included anymore, correct?
1. I’m not sure what the 1 dice tray is. There are some open slots for more goal tiles–is that what you’re seeing?
2. The Nesting Box is just the box and inserts.
3. There will be card dividers included. We’ll show them later.
4. The Nesting Box is just the box and inserts.
Some of your questions delve into potential expansion components, but we won’t talk about the expansion until much closer to its release.
Any chance that this will fit sleeved cards?
Absolutely!
Will there be a new dice tower in the 3rd expansion game coming out in the Nesting Box?
We’ll reveal the details of the third expansion in Q4 2022.
Hello,
You had said in a previous comment that a replacement birdfeeder would be included in the box. This is not listed in the contents of the first printing. Will a new birdfeeder be included or no?
Nick: You’re right that was once the case, but it has changed since the addition of the next expansion in first printing of the Nesting Box. There will no longer be a replacement birdfeeder dice tower in the Nesting Box.
A new expansion is a worthy replacement of a new birdfeeder. Thank you!
Would the new dice tower be in the “regular” release of the expansion? Was it going to be different/upgraded?
Jen: We haven’t talked about the contents of the expansion yet–we’ll do that later this year.
hello
I’m Japanese
Can you send it to Japan?
Yes, we ship to Japan. :)
Hello Jamey,
Can I get just an English copie from the nesting box or do you plan other languages, too? I have the full game with both expansions in German. Do I have a chance to get it in my laguage?
We’ll only sell the English version, but we expect that our localization partners will sell the same Nesting Box with their language’s expansion inside.
Thank you very much. Than it worse to wait. Fuerland is the best German patner you could find, in my eyes!
Greetings from the middle of Germany near by Hannover!
Hi Jamey, just want to clarify. The above information states: “The Nesting Box will not be available from retailers.”
Is this going to be a permanent arrangement or just when it initially releases? I have been really looking forward to getting this box but paying shipping might make it too expensive as I always combine orders with retailers to get free shipping. Yes, I have to wait longer (and I don’t mind waiting for the Nesting Box either:), but I just can’t afford to do otherwise.
As an example, I love Isle of Cats but could not justify paying the shipping so I never got the 2-Minute Box or either of the 2 KS packs and never will at those prices. But I didn’t hesitate to get other expansions that went to retail. Either way, I still love Wingspan. I just hope the box will be available through my usual channels just the Scythe Big Box is. Thanks!
Shawn: We currently have no plans to release the Nesting Box to retailers, purely because of how much we would need to charge a retailer for it to make sense (and likewise how much they would need to charge you). It’s a different beast than the Scythe Legendary Box.
That said, if freight shipping prices significantly drop in 2023 or 2024, it might be possible. It would still cost more as an empty box as from a retailer to get the box with the expansion inside from us (even after paying for shipping), but it’s possible you’ll have that choice someday.
And that’s the decision I’ll have to make when it does come out:) The fact that it includes the expansion definitely works in it’s favor as I fully plan to get that. Shipping directly from Canada will also make a big difference (as opposed to TIoC which ships from UK). Either way, I’ll be watching and hopefully ordering:)
One final note: I don’t post questions or comments very often on any site but I do read a lot of them. Just wanted to thank you for being so transparent and approachable. Examples include answering questions posted here or various rules questions on other forums, the positive comments on some fan-made ideas on BGG for Scythe, or making certain files available for special events (like in the “Three Weddings and a Baby” article posted on this site – definitely a must-read!). Really appreciate the person behind the company.
Thanks Shawn! Indeed, we ship from Canada to Canadian customers. I appreciate you asking this questions–I’m happy to help! :)
But does that mean that the nesting box wont be avaialble in Dutch? not that my English is that poor but it would fit beter with the content of my other boxes. Or will the acompanied expansion be available at retailers in different countries at some point in different lenguages.
We only make the English-language versions of our products, but we’ve offered the Nesting Box to all of our localization partners. You’re welcome to ask 999 Games about it.
Hey there, I see that the first printing is expected early Q4. I have a few questions about if though. Is it possible to order it without expansion?
If not, is there any chance that some of the expansions are translated ahead of release, so I can get the Nesting Box with the expansion all in my own language?
If not, when do you suppose the second printing without expansion would release?
While I usually prefer to order the English versions of games, I got Wingspan and the two expansions in my own language, because the bird names are just that incredibly different. So yeah, that’s where these questions come from.
The box itself looks fine and it’s components look pretty solid, which is pretty important for a premium box like this (looks judgingly at the Terraforming Mars Big Box….). It’s just that expansion that’s a bit vexing.
Here’s what I say in the FAQ about that: “The first printing of the Nesting Box will align with production of the next Wingspan expansion, so we will pack the expansion inside the box for those who want to buy both from us at the same time, therefore reducing shipping costs (freight shipping is VERY expensive right now, particularly for big products like this, and it has a direct result on the price of the product). The expansion will also be available separately for those who don’t want the Nesting Box. When freight shipping costs permit, the box will be available by itself.”
Our localization partners will have access to print the Nesting Box for their corresponding language’s expansions as well, so you could get it from them.
I personally wouldn’t mind paying for the shipping (would actually give me an excuse to buy another one of your games from the store, haha), but I definitely understand where you’re coming from. I guess that in the short term, I should contact 999 Games and see what their plans are.
Thanks as always for the quick response and have a great day Jamey.
I appreciate that, but it really is ridiculously high right now (the ocean freight shipping cost). It just doesn’t feel ethically right to charge as much as we’d need to charge, but it computes much more fairly if there’s an expansion inside. We’ll be talking to partners about it later this week.
This looks great! 🙌 I’ve read though that current global situations mean it’s cost prohibitive for you to put into production just yet. I wondered if there could be an option to offer purchasable 3D print plans for some of the components in the interim? (e.g. the white dice, player cubes and first player marker tray).
Robert: No, we’re not going to share 3D files for components we will be selling.
Dang! But thanks for confirming.
Damn. My bookstand have 42cm wide shelfs.
The Nesting Box is 30cm wide, so it’ll fit with room to spare!
A draw bag is a great idea. Soft felt material preferably.
Not sure if anyone else does this, but I sort my eggs by colour, would be nice to cater for that too…
I may be in the minority here, but a draw bag could be nice to mix up those goal tiles and draw four out.
I agree about the draw bag. That would be cool.
+1
A draw bag for the goal tiles was the first thing we added to the game.
I like this idea of a draw bag. We upgraded the bags that came with Quacks to the round bottom bags from BGG. I’ve already stolen one bag for Rover when playing Meadow solo. I think I’ll scavenge another and try it for the goal tiles. One more thing to make set-up faster. Thanks for the idea.
I’m open to this, but I’m not entirely sure it would speed up setup. As shown in the photos, there are slots for storing the goal tiles in the setup tray. To use a bag, you would need to remove the goal tiles, put them in a bag, draw 4, then put the remaining tiles back in the slots.
The alternative is that you could just never use the slots, but a bag filled with goal tiles takes up a lot of space–there’s no slot for it. You would just need to tuck it into the compartment with the birdfeeder dice tower.
As someone who is relatively unlikely to buy the Nesting Box (as it will probably be too big to carry to games night!), a bag for goal tiles would *really* interest me. While storing tiles in slots is more space efficient, it is so much easier and nicer to just pull a small number of tiles out of a bag and carry on. Just my thoughts…
Your right, a bag with all the tiles is a little less space efficient, but for my personal preference, it is more comfortable. I would always keep all the tiles in the bag, as I do now and never put them back in their respective slots.
For setup: I simply grab the bag, ask my fellow player to blindly choose 4 times between top or bottom of the tile and then draw afterwards. Then, the bag goes back to the box – done. For me, this is the most random way to choose.
Actually, it wouldn’t be a big deal if you choose to pass on the draw bag, because it is really easy to find DIY-bag.
Thanks Steven! I’ll ask our manufacturer about this. I think the bag we used for Libertalia’s loot tokens would work well for the Nesting Box too, so we may use the same bag if we include it.
Thank you Jamie, for considering it.
…and sry for writing your name wrong. ^^
I agree. Thank you for considering it. It’s not a must-have–especially from a storage perspective, but it just makes it easier to randomly choose the goal tiles.
The bag doesn’t need to be as big as the Libertalia bag–after all, the Wingspan goal tiles are pretty small. A bag about the size of the ones used in Quacks of Quedlinberg (or even a little smaller) could be used.
I’ve never seen the food tokens actually look like what they are supposed to be. That is so cool! How can I replace the standard with the custom food tokens?
Adam: Check out a third-party vendor like Meeplesource or Top Shelf Gamer. They make special custom tokens like these. :)
I want to order mats. But I am afraid a future expansion will change the board like the last one. I am buying this box.
Just like Oceania, nothing we create in a new expansion will replace or void a previous element. The original player mats are still relevant (and even required for most modes of play).
Really hoping this will include a bit more durable ‘dice’ tower ;)
A lot of pole already have the neoprene mats. Can the nesting box be sold without bundling the mats with it?
The Nesting Box does not include neoprene mats. It *fits* neoprene mats, but they’re sold separately. :)
I’d like to add the neoprene mats to our game and see that they will fit in the nesting box. Hooray! When its all available, will I be able to add neoprene mats to the nesting box + new expansion order? Thank you
Great! They will indeed fit in the box, and we will plan to have them in stock when it’s time for the box/expansion preorder. :)
Great. Thank you!
That is why I have a wonderful wooden insert already for Wingspan that allows me to hold everything in the base box except for the birdfeeder and all of the player mats (I can’t hold both the Oceana and the base game mats) and that is why I plan to transfer my wooden insert into the Big Box and then I should be able to hold everything!
I love Wingspan, it is one of my favorite board games. The only problem I have with the base game and the first expansion is that there are plastic trays despite it is a highly nature-themed game. This is a mood-killer to me, and I’m sad to see you are about to create much more ugly plastics. I would definitely go for this nesting box if it contained wooden trays, trays made by stronger paper or small canvas bags, even if the price would be much higher. I hope you will consider to use other materials.
That’s great feedback, and we are working on future printings of Wingspan that use no plastic at all. That won’t impact the trays in the Nesting Box, though.
Note that your question regarding the sorting of food types needs a 3 option — would you sort the food if you had enough storage space to store them sorted. I don’t sort them but would if there was space to keep them sorted easily (looks like your 4th prototype has exactly that).
Hi Jamey, super excited about this and definitely planning on getting it!
I have a suggestion for an upgraded component (to be included either in the Nesting Box or perhaps a future Wingspan expansion?): a thicker cardboard goal mat.
It would be similar to the large one sold by Meeplesource, but roughly the dimensions of the current goal mat, and with maybe no new art to save on costs. The current one is definitely functional, but it does feel a little flimsy and furthermore, gets crowded when multiple players tie for a particular spot, blocking the point value of the space from view when scoring at the end of the game.
Would that be a component that you’re willing to make? Thanks for your time!
Thanks Kevin! While we don’t have plans to deviate from the current goal mat (the new one would need to fit onto the punchboards, and the punchboards are full), I still appreciate the feedback!
Looking good, and I like how you’ve incorporated prior feedback into the design!
When done, and ready, have you considered selling two versions? One with all of the plastic trays you have designed for the big box, and one without all of the trays? I think while some people will like the trays, I would imagine more already have 3rd party storage options that they’ll use in the big box. For example, while I’ve saved the two plastic bird trays that came with base game and EE, and all the small plastic token trays, I do not use them and have them stored away from the game that I bring out to the table.
We are indeed going to sell two versions, but this is the breakdown: Both will include everything shown above, and one of them will include the third Wingspan expansion in the box (without a box of its own).
I like the idea of selling the third expansion with the big box!
Perhaps consider selling three versions? With one being without all of the extra aplastic storage trays/bins. Just an idea.
Can you confirm if the Nesting Box will be available through retail channels or strictly through your web store? You mention it will be sold “directly ” from your store, however will it be exclusively through your store? Thanks!
Hi… just thought I’d follow up with the above question? Thanks!
Sorry, I missed that. The Nesting Box will be priced to sell directly through our webstore (our fulfillment centers are in the US, Canada, UK, and Australia). It’s not exclusive, but it won’t make economic sense for us or our customers to sell this box into distribution.
Please make the nesting box with thick gauge cardboard. It needs to hold a lot of weight with all the current game parts plus future expansions. Also, can there be a provision in the design to store the neoprene mats? Thanks!
Absolutely, it’s made of very thick cardboard. Here’s where on the above page I mention the neoprene mats (which it is made to hold flat):
“The top layer is designed to hold 5 neoprene mats and two sets of 5 player mats, as well as the rulebooks and the goal mat. It’s a little taller and longer now so future expansion rulebooks can fit.”
I may be too late but… We prefer coin capsules with the original cardboard food resources and these tend to take up more space than other food resource upgrades. Is there enough room in the organizer for the coin capsules? Thanks so much.
Heather: They’re pretty sizable containers, so yes, they should fit.
Great. Thanks!
Hey there, let me start by saying that I love the game.
I recently started having a regular board game night with a few new friends and they introduced me to some of the stonemaier board games and I immediately fell in love with wingspan.
I’ll make sure to preorder the box, when it gets released and I’ll also be upgrading certain parts of the games over time. So I’ve got a question regarding that. Is there a chance that you guys will release premium food tokens or something like a wooden dice tower in the future? I’ve seen quite a few cool ones around and the meeplesource tokens look cool as well, but I personally prefer using as many official stuff as possible (game mats and speckled eggs coming in the future for sure).
Either way, much love for you guys from the Netherlands and keep up the good work.
Thanks Daniel! Per our agreement with Tower Rex, we can’t make a wooden dice tower. As for premium tokens, there are so many great third-party options that I wouldn’t want to step on their toes by making our own versions.
That’s cool. Thanks for the quick response and you’re right. There are many great third-party options and that just shows how much people enjoy this wonderful game. I’ll check out the tokens and who knows, if I’m bored enough I might just craft my own wooden bird house dice tower haha..
For resource upgrades, games today have millions from millions of people. This is why no organizer works for everyone. I have made 10 organizers to date because of this. However; when you can (whether on your own or with an outside company) develop high quality upgrades that will work in a standard organizer, it saves money and frustration for the gamers that are paying for the Big box organizer, otherwise just bag everything. If you are making a deluxe box (with insert) and your target market is willing to pay for such a box, then they probably are in the market for resources, and etc. (or already have them).
For card sleeves, I think many would appreciate. I personally use 60 micron sleeves so I can use a couple of card shufflers to quickly random the cards, so I wouldn’t buy them, but I have bought many custom sleeves (Dune Imperium, Terraforming Mars Corporations, etc) that have smaller card quantities that can easily be shuffled by hand.
Games like Wingspan, Terraforming Mars, Dune Imperium, and many other very popular games have upgrades that people are buying (and sleeves). I think it is easy to design around the size (in general). If you have the entire set of high quality pieces (like Dire Wolf Digital’s Dune Imperium) then you will serve your most loyal customers (like me) better. The upgrade pack has a wonderful organizer with upgraded pieces and card sleeves, along with storage for everything (and if you have a couple of extra upgrades, like the 3D worm first player marker that I printed) then you are able to throw them in as well.
SM has some of my favorite games and I am a Champion. I am considering the box, even though I designed an insert that will fit all Wingspan content in the base base (except player boards….have never used them due to having nested in play mats), and I have room for 80 more cards. But I would hate to spend the money for it, to open it and have to throw away insert because it won’t fit my 3d resources that I got from Poland (the best of all resources that were available on the market -IMO).
Bottom line is that if you are going to have a Legendary box or Nesting box, why not design for some general upgrades that people have invested and if possible make the resources yourself (or partner with another company) and advertise as such.
Also, an organizer’s primarily role is to provide for easy setup and takedown. I have about 140 games, and all games are stored on their side to protect the boxes from being caved in while being stacked vertically. It would be nice if that was also taken into consideration in the design of the storage solution.
Keep up the great work and I will keep watching your YouTube channel and buying your games….. I just unboxed Tapestry, to play for the first time!
Thanks for your thoughts, Joel. While it isn’t something I would include in the Nesting Box, I will talk to Panda to see about making Wingspan card sleeves to sell separately.
The Nesting Box is designed to hold a variety of components, both official and unofficial.
Will the broken token add on fit with this?
If you remove some of the custom inserts included with the Nesting Box, third-party inserts will easily fit in the central tray (we’ve tested it).
Looks awesome. Any plans to release official sleeves?
We don’t have plans for official sleeves, no. People have very different preferences involving sleeves. :)
Please please PLEASE, dont sell this u til you know everything will fit. That includes cards sleeved with thick sleeves like Hyler Matte, and the neoprine mats you sell. If the boc cant fit everything, it has no value.
I know everything will fit, even with thick sleeves. And definitely the neoprene mats, easily.
Really looking forward to this box. Came to say ‘Aviary’ might have been a good name for the box since it’s a big box containing a bunch of birds. Nesting box is cute name too though :)
I like that name too, but “Aviary” has a negative connotation to it, as birds aren’t meant to be kept in cages–hence why we avoid that term. :)
I still need to get the Oceanus expansion, but I do plan on picking that up and getting the nesting box. Having everything contained in the same box and well organized for ease of set up, is very important for me! Can’t wait to add it!
Have you considered individual trays for players that hold food and eggs? Rather than 3 for the table. Also card holders.
Thanks Stacy! We considered that, but this is the configuration we think will work best.
Jamey,
Thank you for the project details. I recently ordered the new 2-sided playmats and unrolled them. After two days of laying flat the still curl at the end. I assume that eventually they will lay flat, so having a way to store them flat (like shown above) will be important. Could they also be stored on the bottom to allow the rest of the components to flatten them out?
Brian
Brian: In the prototype Nesting Box I have, my neoprene mats lay completely flat on the top layer under both sets of player mats, which I think will serve the purpose you mention here. :)
I think this sells me on the neoprene mats.
I love that Stonemaier is offering the “big box” seperatly. I hate purchasing a game and a few expansions then hearing that there is now a big box version that will hold the game better and sometimes cost less. I appreicate when publishers sell a big box, such as Renegade did recently with Paladins of the West Kingdom. I look forward to purchasing this box, and thank you for making it.
Thank you, John! :)
I will make one additional comment, I also like how Twilight Creations sells Zombies!!! expansions on their website for a few bucks less when they do not include the box. This is great for people that already purchased the “Zombies!!! Ultimate Collector’s Box” and need to purchase a single expansion. This does cause some other issues for the shipper as one now has to package individual cards, and are they left with a bunch of expansion boxes or did they order a bunch with out boxes in hopes to sell them all via the website?
Not saying this is something you should do as it essentially doubles the SKU’s that you would need to be stocking but it’s cool.
I really like that, John. We’ve discussed that from time to time, and given our webstore sales, I think it’s likely something we’ll try in the future if we can properly protect the components in the expansion with alternative packaging.
That is fantastic. I love that idea. Reduces waste, in theory.
Jamie, I love this dialog and I love hearing from you frankly on these issues and the larger context of making and marketing games and their expansions. I find it fascinating and I appreciate you talking to us “little guys”, i.e.: customers
Thanks Tom!
My feedback:
1) I would really like the option of a real Big Box with everything included (base game and expansions). I don’t want to order and pay for boxes that will go straight to the bin. A complete Big Box saves costs on shipping (less weight and less volume) and also it is cheaper too produce and more eco-friendly / sustainable.
BTW, I understand you didn’t want to do it for Scythe but the Complete Collectors Edition for Wingspan is something many have been waiting for years. I am very sure you would be surprised with the reception if you run a poll about adding that option too.
2) Any chance for a unified rulebook with all the expansions in a single document? Having a separate rulebook for each part of the game / expansion is a pain and not practical / handy. I actually think it makes a lot of sense since everything will fit in a single box.
Thx!
I appreciate your input, but I can assure you that you shouldn’t wait for a “real” big box that includes all Wingspan content, as it’s simply something we won’t be making even if some people want it. First, it would be prohibitively expensive for customers (around $300), which also makes it very difficult to sell via distribution channels. Second, it would be a 180 reversal for us, as we’ve said for years that we wouldn’t make such a product, and many people have bought into Wingspan’s ala-carte style system–it wouldn’t be fair to them. Third, the ala carte system allows people to pick and choose exactly which elements of Wingspan they want, which ensures that everyone pays for exactly what they want, nothing more. For those reasons, we won’t be making an all-in-one version of Wingspan. However, keeping shipping costs and eco-friendliness in mind, we will offer a version of the Nesting Box with the third expansion inside the box.
When all Wingspan expansions are complete, we’ll make a complete rulebook for the game.
Not sure I understand the points:
1) If the Complete Collectors Editiont would be prohibitively expensive for customers, buying all the content in different boxes would be even more expensive.
(both in terms of MSRP and shipping).
2) You mentioned it would be difficult to sell via distribution channels. Isn’t it this Nesting Box meant to be sold only via your website? Same for this option i guess…
3) Having the option of a Complete Collectors Edition for Wingspan doesn’t stop anyone from also having the ala-carte style system to pick and choose exactly which elements of Wingspan they want (in case they don’t want it all).
Thank you for your answer!
Perhaps I’m just different than you, but I’m much more willing to spend $60 on a game and pick and choose the expansions and accessories I want over time as my budget allows than $300 on a game all at once.
It’s true that we don’t sell every product via distribution. It’s also true that selling a $300 big box to distributors would be next to impossible to do.
Yes, we could have both. But the point is that part of the appeal of a big box is that it would have a lower price than the sum of its parts. It would not be fair to the 1 million+ customers who have purchased Wingspan and its expansions individually.
Plus, if you’re interested in Wingspan, why would you wait until as late as the year 2030 to buy the game? We’re covering every continent and probably some promo packs along the way–it would take years before we could confidently say, “Here’s everything all in one box.” You’d literally miss out on a decade of fun waiting for something we’re never going to make.
I understand that other companies sometimes make big boxes, but it never makes sense to me on a business or personal level. I much prefer to buy and try the game before buying every expansion ever made (as I may not even like the game enough to use the expansions), and it creates such a massive price barrier that excludes 99% of people from even considering it. And for anyone who has already bought some–but not all–of the products in the big box, they don’t feel good. That’s why we don’t do it and why we won’t do it.
I still think providing that option makes a lot of sense and wouldn’t hurt anybody. No one is getting more than the rest, just in a different container. If it makes sense to include the 3rd expansion in the box, the same arguments would apply for all the content.
As I said, there is people that know that they want it all (like fans or collectors). In my case, I have access to Wingspan (not missing any fun) but I want to own it and I rather get it all together, in a simple and single way. Of course it would be a nice option too to pick and choose more content over time as the budget allows, but not everybody has easy access to your games or is willing to pay for shipping 4 times with every single order.
And yes, those Big Boxes have a lower price than the sum of its parts (like in any other bundle). BTW, $300? Wouldn’t be more like half of that?
I’ll keep waiting for this option in the future since I don’t like the idea of buying 4-5 boxes when I’ll keep only 1.
Probably it is just marketing strategy as a company, but that is just a customer’s 2 cents.
Thx!
The cost of game boxes is not half the cost–it’s maybe 10% of the cost at most, and the cost of the big box and organizational components would more than make up for that savings.
Just because something doesn’t hurt you doesn’t mean it wouldn’t hurt “anybody.” Read this to better empathize with those who have already invested in parts of Wingspan: https://stonemaiergames.com/everdell-is-there-such-thing-as-a-price-thats-too-good/
I’m sorry that you’re waiting for something that will never happen. You’re missing out on a great game.
This way works for me, I purchased “Wingspan” a while ago. I later purchased Oceania and European expansions. I have since picked up the Swift Start Promo Pack and the Speckled Eggs to add to my collection. My double sided playmats have been ordered, but have not arrived yet.
I may have paid more, I only paid shipping on the playmats. This allowed me to purchase when I could afford the products, and most of them I picked up from my FLGS to support local and not have shipping.
@Jamey Stegmaier
I agree the bundle discount could be around 10%. I was referring to the half price of the $300 you mentioned for the Big Box. Let me explain: Base game $60 + European Expansion $25 + Oceania Expansion $28 + “NEW” Expansion $25-30? = $140 TOTAL approx.
I am not sure where the $300 come from.
BTW, I read the article and I can understant the “a Price That’s Too Good” extreme case but honestly not in the case of a normal 10% discount when paying so much money up front.
Thank you for having this constructive conversation.
There are 4 more expansions for Wingspan, not 1. So that’s more like $250 plus the cost of the box itself. Hence $300.
I would like to see the food storage be separate from the egg storage. I use a crochet nest for the eggs, and it makes the table presence much better. Separating food storage from the egg storage would allow the use of the food storage tray during play without a large empty section of the tray taking up value table space.
Also, it would be great if the tray with the dice could store the upgraded bird action selection tolken from meeple source. It is easy to imagine that those investing the amount of money that makes this box worthwhile have the upgraded action selection tolkens. I hope functionality is a top priority. I discarded the orginal action selection cubes.
I have all three expansions and sorting out the OE and EE can be difficult due to the similar gray circles on the bottom corner of the card. If the graphic were different colors and or shapes this would make sorting expansions much easier.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide input!
What if the one little bonus thing that comes with the Nesting Box is an upgraded first player token? Maybe a chunky metal Flycatcher coin or a screen-printed wooden disc… something that upgrades the standard cardboard first player marker and is sized to fit in the same spot in the setup tray.
Imagine a big light blue coin with a Scissor-tailed Flycatcher on it, using the same treatment/material as the Scythe coins? Ooh la la.
excellent idea
The best starting player marker is a $3 clip-on bird available at your local Joann fabric. :) It’s also where I got my best to store my eggs. It’s so fun to clip the bird on your person.
It would be really wonderful if the top of the card tray could optionally hold the three bird cards vertically (as does this box version: https://www.etsy.com/listing/983799871/wingspan-expansions-insert). It’s easier to look at and grab the cards this way, and seems to be a minor addition to the design not requiring a full re-make.
Thanks for encouraging suggestions! I look forward to buying this, in whatever form it takes. :)
Thanks Heather! That’s a neat way to display the cards. I like it as only an optional feature, as half the table can’t see the cards when displayed that way if you’re playing with 4 or 5 players.
I own everything available for WS. All 8 player boards fill the oceana box. Everything else fits nicely in bags in the original box I discarded all the cheap plastic boxes etc. Day 1. Zip bags are way better and we have wooden chit trays we use for any game.
I Have to disagree about the zip bags. I’m all about inserts (preferably wooden)! I love the way they fit in the box and the entire look and feel when you open the box on game day.
The deeper bird tray is a FANTASTIC idea. I know you were really hoping to keep waste from previous boxes near zero. Having a huge tray in addition to the two from base/EE will allow us to hold a TON of cards and will keep both from ending up in landfills. Then we just swap in birds as the big tray runs out. I also love the addition of resource trays.
The Scythe Big Box was the perfect solution for me because it was designed to fit EVERYTHING! And Broken Token created the perfect insert with laser carved wood that fit it perfectly and was created with every expansion in mind. Now it is my most prized gaming possession. I want something similar for Wingspan. I currently have another laser carved wood insert that fits in the base box and holds nearly everything except for all the game boards and plastic containers. I’m hoping to get the Wingspan big box and being able to fit my wooden insert and everything else. We’ll see when I get it in hand.
Awesome, can’t wait to get the box. Quick question about the remaining expansions. Will there be an expansion for extinct birds (Dodo, passenger pigeon, great auk, laughing owl, etc.?) Or is that something bein discussed at all?
A promo pack of extinct birds has been discussed, and I think there’s a fairly good chance Elizabeth will design such a pack someday. :)
I’m excited for all the planned expansions, but I’d be SUPER into an extinct bird pack.
I have also thought this would be amazing, even as just a small promo pack. I’d love to see a Dodo and a Moa and Carolina Parakeet in the game. If limited to birds (like these and others) driven to extinction by humans rather than earlier mass extinction events, maybe it could even serve as a thematic fundraiser, wtih some of the proceeds going to organizations that protect critically endangered bird species?
Sean: Our typical method for making thematic donations is to base them on the number of people who sign up for launch notifications. When Wingspan Oceania launched, based on the number of people who signed up for a launch notification, we donated $7,439 USD ($10,834 AUD) to WIRES, an organization that helped birds and other animals during the Australia wildfires.
I remembered the donation to WIRES, which was awesome. :) That system is still great, if you consider doing it for the Extinct Birds bundle in the future.
Is there an approximate amount that the bird card tray can hold?
There are a few places for bird cards in the Nesting Box, but the deeper bird tray we’re including in the middle layer can hold around 300 unsleeved birds.
This is awesome! Any chance if you do a spare bird feeder, it could be a “premium” one – like with thicker cardboard or a weighted bottom? That would be AMAZING! Also, I know other people have said this, but an upgraded round goal tracker is needed. It’s honestly the only component in the original game box that feels like less quality – everything else is so nice!
Indeed, we plan to include an extra bird feeder (the revised version that fits together better) in the Nesting Box. Does your round mat have the nice texture to it that we added fairly early on?
It does! And the texture definitely helps. What would be amazing is something like a two-layer print where there are little “cutouts” for the tiles to sit in. I would definitely buy that if you sold it :D
Excited for the Big Box!
But furthermore, wanted to express interest for an All-In-One Nesting Box that includes *ALL* the content—something akin to a Complete Collectors Edition.
Obviously it’s not possible right now since all content hasn’t been released yet (one expansion per continent? Amazing!). But I would absolutely purchase a “Collectors Edition Nesting Box” if it were made available, deluxe components with the whole nine yards.
Sure, the price would be a premium… but our family loves the game *that* much :) cheers
Thanks John! I appreciate your desire for that product, but I can say with near-100% confidence that we won’t do that for the same reasons we haven’t (and won’t) do that for Scythe (here’s the answer from the Scythe FAQ): “While we appreciate the interest that some people might have in an all-in-one version of Scythe (the game, all expansions, all accessories, and all promos), there are a few reasons why we won’t be doing that. First, it would be prohibitively expensive for customers (around $300), which also makes it very difficult to sell via distribution channels. Second, it would be a 180 reversal for us, as we’ve said for years that we wouldn’t make such a product, and many people have bought into Scythe’s ala-carte style system–it wouldn’t be fair to them. Third, the ala carte system allows people to pick and choose exactly which elements of Scythe they want, which ensures that everyone pays for exactly what they want, nothing more. For those reasons, we won’t be making an all-in-one version of Scythe.”
I love this idea and I’m glad it’s coming out eventually. I was just searching the web for “Wingspan Organizer.” I had already added the Broken Token organizer to my cart when I thought I’d check out other links before purchasing, so I’m glad I came upon this announcement.
My only “complaint,” is that the plastic trays and card boxes just don’t fit the theme. When I think of birds and forest and wetlands, I think of natural resources. Wooden trays and card boxes. The reason I’m not going with the BT organizer is because it doesn’t allow for future expansions. But I love the ability to stain and/or paint the trays to give it a custom, not-so-plasticky feel. I know you’re too far into this to go back to the drawing board, but maybe offer a more thematic big box? I’d pay a few extra dollars if it didn’t make me cringe every time I open the box.
I heard rumors that the Nesting box will be released Q1 22.
Than I heard rumors that it will be released together with the third expansion (probably Q3 22)
What is the status right now? When can we expect the Box?
The current status is as stated on the above page: “We don’t know when the Nesting Box will start production, but it will be available directly from Stonemaier Games when it’s ready, shipped from fulfillment centers in the US, Canada, UK, and Australia (subscribe to receive a preorder launch notification). We’ll announce the price when the preorder launches (most likely in Q3 2022).”
This is the most excited I’ve been for a box since the last Isle of Cats kickstarter!
Hey Jamey! Super excited for this! Would there be any way to include space for things like MeepleSource’s bird player icon replacements for the regular cubes too?
Indeed, there’s space for them in the bottom layer! :) They’re simply too big to fit into the middle layer, though.
Will the nesting box be plain or will it have artwork on the outside?
I know there’s a lot of text on the page, but here’s what I say about it right before the photos begin: “Please keep in mind that this is just a prototype. The real box will have art on the outside and inside, and the plastic trays will have different colors.”
Thanks Jamey! Sorry I missed that.
Jamey,
I would love for an ‘upgraded’ bird tower rather than a straight across replacement. Something with a little more mass will go a long way for durability and feeling higher quality.
I would also love to see this rolled out ‘kickstarter style’ with options to upgrade various items like food tokens, dice, or even the end of round goals mat to be something with recessed spaces to keep goal cards and action cubes in place.
Love wingspan, love stonemaier games, and love your YouTube videos too.
Thanks,
Dano
Thanks Dano! Our objective here is to offer the best product up front (no need for stretch goals) without stepping on the toes of the many third-party accessory companies that already make upgraded dice towers, food tokens, and goal mats (I don’t think the dice can get any better). For example, go check out Tower Rex on Etsy and Meeplesource’s fancy tokens.
Jamie,
There are a lot of people who have purchased a lot of upgrades for Wingspan including upgraded food tokens. It would be nice if these upgrades could be accommodated.
Indeed, they are. They’re mentioned several times in the information (and photos) on this page.
Really eager for this product
New-ish Wingspan player here! I think this is awesome! My mom and I were wondering how we would fit an expansion pack in the original box but this would solve any problems we thought we’d have :). I haven’t gotten any expansions yet but I’ve been playing the main game for several months now and I can tell it’s a game I’d like to keep playing and I’ll definitely be getting the European expansion (it seems so fun by the way)! Christmas is coming and I know what I want :D
-Shelby from New Brunswick
Hello. I am a board game player living in Japan. Is there a way to buy Wingspan Nesting Box in Japan?
We ship worldwide from our fulfillment centers, including from the US to customers in Japan. :)
Based on “the left corner holds all sleeved or unsleeved Automa and bonus cards, as well as the first player token and reference tiles”, am I right to assume the circular recess has been removed from the setup tray? It’s confusing because the description of the setup tray also mentions the “start player tile” (which I think refers to the same circular token).
Storing the first player token with the reference tiles/bonus cards seems like a good compromise for those of us who no longer have the cardboard version. I’ve replaced mine with a wooden Scissor-Tailed Flycatcher from MS, which obviously won’t fit in that spot in the setup tray. Just a thought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s rather that I haven’t updated this text on this page–the tray does indeed still have the recess. But you’re right, if you have a big wooden first-player marker, you’ll need to keep it on the left or with the birdfeeder.
I would love to have the tray be able to prop up. We do this already by leaning the tray against something. It makes it nice for players to see the cards in the tray.
The lid to the bird tray should have an option to prop up the bird cards. Currently, we use one of the extra lids at an angle. We use the extra tray during game play to hold 1) bonus cards, 2) discarded bonus cards and 3) discarded bird cards.
Wouldn’t an angle put half the table at a disadvantage from seeing the cards? The bird tray is designed so it’s easy to pick up the cards and look at them no matter where you’re sitting.
We frequently pass the whole try around for either the active of next player to read what’s available and would love it if the new try did a little better job at keeping the cards from sliding off (FWIW propped up cards are no good for me, I’m no spring chicken and I need to get up close to read all the text)… though I realize this suggestion flys in the face of the stated goal of making cards really easy to pick up. As is the system works fine, we just have the occasional card take flight.
Oh my. Can I blame my phone for all the typos/grammatical errors in that last post? Sheesh.
Possibly-but we always put it at one end of the table so everyone can see it right side up.
Wow! Looks like the top-notch quality we’ve come to expect from you, Jamey. I appreciate all of the attention to detail, thinking about user experience, and I especially love the bit boxes with lids and scoop-able interiors. I think I prefer white trays with clear lids like you have for the Setup Tray; it has a very premium look. When I see a 100% clear plastic organizer my mind immediately associates it with a cheap tackle box, but maybe that’s just me.
Honestly, my initial reaction after seeing the size of the whole box was utter bewilderment! I have the Scythe Legendary Box and this looks to be around the same size or maybe even slightly larger (which I wasn’t expecting for a more casual game). With a little finagling all of the essential Wingspan stuff already fits inside of the base game box, so I’m wondering how much more is left to store. I didn’t realize there were multiple unannounced expansions; I assumed any more content would just be card packs. Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited about it, I’m just not sure if my shelf can handle another behemoth.
I almost wish there was an optional medium-sized box (half the height of this one) for those of us that don’t need all of the extras. For example, there’s no reason to keep both sets of original boards AND the neoprene ones, so that top layer could probably be halved. And then there’s the whole sleeved vs unsleeved issue – some of us will fit all the cards in a much more compact area without sleeves. And then some will not be purchasing every future expansion. I like the card trays, but I know I’m not planning on keeping my extra ones if I buy this. I’m trying to fight my pack-rat tendencies to keep every little thing I don’t need anymore.
Overall, great work! I’m both extremely excited and terrified to see the final product.
Is there a space here for a sixth set of player pieces? Is the next expansion going to give us another player?? That would be quite exciting!
I haven’t revealed anything about future expansions, as much of the future is unknown. However, just in case there is a future expansion that increases the player count, you can see in the photos that there are spaces for more player tokens.
I wonder if a game like this is very suitable to play with 6 people. Certain aspects of the game to act with take some time to resolve (pink powers on bird cards, for example, especially if multiple powers have to be dealt with during a single action turn). This would increase the downtime even further than it already is with 5 players. I’m not sure many players would want this. My guess is that most people would want to play this with no more than 4 players anyway, because of that downtime. Also, it could require the scoring conditions to be changed for that player count and that additional material is needed (for replacement purposes in case of the round scoring board perhaps).
A new type of action to choose, on the other hand could be nice. How about working on the population of bird species, like breeding, that requires you to take a certain action that causes one egg on that bird to ount as two, or the ability to double the bird’s power when activated, for example? Maybe a 4th action area type for that? I’m just brainstorming here.
What I’d really prefer is a way to avoid writing things on a piece of paper and then toss it away afterwards, because it can’t be reused. A deluxe scoring pad that can be cleaned after gameplay, along with a whiteboard marker, is what I’d want to see, allthough I’d prefer keeping track of points by using tokens on a board the most, but in this game that would take too much table space.
William: The game as designed is not a good fit for more than 5 people. If we add players in the future, those bigger games would include design modifications to help the game flow at those specific player counts.
As for the scorepad, the pro is that it creates an artifact for players to keep or refer to in the future, unlike a dry-erase board.
I understand your point about the player count, Jamey. My post on that was more like a response to Amanda’s suggestion about a sixth player.
As for your response about the scorepad, you may be right about the dry erase board. But the normal ones will run out of sheets of paper eventually. I don’t know if every version of the scorepads, including those for all expansions are and/or will be sold separately. But if not, a more comprehensive digital app version would my choice.
WingMate isn’t free, but it’s very thorough and nice for larger games
Hopefully the nesting box will be available to purchase by itself earlier than December 2022? I would buy it early and then get any new expansions separately once they come out.
A few people have mentioned that date, but I’m not sure where it’s coming from. Did I say that? All I say in the above post is “We don’t know when the Nesting Box will be ready”
@Jamey I think people are taking that from your comment on Sep. 17.
@dougtraversa: Would be great if it were available for Christmas.
@Jamey: We’re hoping for Christmas 2022.
Ah, I see. When I mention dates like that, it’s a worst-case date–I wasn’t saying that the Nesting Box is going to be a December 2022 release. I’ve added a much more in-depth explanation to the previous comment:
“We haven’t started making the Nesting Box yet, and even if we started production today (late September 2021), production plus freight shipping would result in the box not being available until March at the very earliest. Due to the very high cost of freight shipping right now, that would also result in a much higher price than we want to offer. Hence why we’re waiting a little bit to hope that freight shipping costs decrease and to time the release of the Nesting Box with the next expansion, allowing us to sell the box and the expansion together (the expansion packed inside the box) to offer a lower combined cost to customers. Of course, the box and the expansion will also be available separately for those who only want one or the other. The result of all of this is that we’re hoping to offer the Nesting Box and the expansion in mid- to late-2022, but as I say in the above post, this is purely speculative at this point–the only date the really matters is when production is complete and the box/expansion are on their way to fulfillment centers. When that day comes, I will announce it in our e-newsletter.”
I only found out today that there was a Nesting Box in the works but then to find out there’s more expansions coming too? All I can say is YAY to both. I love the game. I admit the I have purchased third party box inserts that accommodate every two far…but will likely buy the nesting box when the other expansions come out. Thanks again for such an awesome game.
Would be great if it were available for Christmas
Christmas 2021 is impossible, unfortunately. We haven’t started making the Nesting Box yet, and even if we started production today (late September 2021), production plus freight shipping would result in the box not being available until March at the very earliest. Due to the very high cost of freight shipping right now, that would also result in a much higher price than we want to offer. Hence why we’re waiting a little bit to hope that freight shipping costs decrease and to time the release of the Nesting Box with the next expansion, allowing us to sell the box and the expansion together (the expansion packed inside the box) to offer a lower combined cost to customers. Of course, the box and the expansion will also be available separately for those who only want one or the other. The result of all of this is that we’re hoping to offer the Nesting Box and the expansion in mid- to late-2022, but as I say in the above post, this is purely speculative at this point–the only date the really matters is when production is complete and the box/expansion are on their way to fulfillment centers. When that day comes, I will announce it in our e-newsletter.
The Nesting Box won’t be available until December 2022? Ouch.. :)
Just want to echo all the other support and excitement here.
Can’t wait to see the artwork. I hope it will be a minimal design without any logo/player counts/time etc. so it can be the most beautiful box in our shelves. (anyway the I love the Wingspan artworks so far so won’t be dissapointed) ;)
I think this is the third version of the fourth prototype, it still looks better every time! Though it is a bit difficult to keep up with the subtle changes you make in the pictures and text. I am patiently waiting for the next big update that hopefully will contain some great art work.
Thanks Iris! I made some small updates to it this weekend with the white and clear trays. I think that will likely be the last update, though, as I want to save the art for when we’ve actually made the box–we have to have something fun to reveal for the actual preorder next year, right? :)
Yeah, that’s probably right, though I wouldn’t turn down a sneak peak or something, next year seams so far away. Though I understand with the current state of the world that earlier shipping would probably be impossible. And as you said earlier if you want to offer the nesting box with the next expansion, we would have to wait until that is finished.
This continues to look amazing! Can’t wait to add it to the collection (along with the next expansion! Keep those coming!)
Might there be a way to offer either black or white for the piece trays? I really like the way they look black – makes all of the color of the pieces pop. Not a deal breaker, just curious.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks Ross! I appreciate you asking about that, but when we produce at scale, every component we make is the same. I’ll add some photos of the white and clear trays to demonstrate how they make the colors pop too. :)
I’d like to be able to buy the expansions without any boxes so the whole thing wouldn’t be so big. And so there is less plastic in the world. I plan to get a wood organizer for everything, so they all fit in the original box (mostly).
The current plan is to offer the next expansion inside the Nesting Box for those who want it.
I really like how this bix turned out. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from reviews of previous storage-boxes, it’s to have an instruction inside for where everything is meant to be stored. 😊
I like that! There will be a tile for that kind of use (it’s modular).
This is HHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Which is honestly a little concerning. We don’t use Kallax; we have overhead shelves in a closet as our only game storage, and it looks like something I would have trouble lifting overhead and taking down…and might honestly drop on my head. :( While it’s lovely to have something to hold everything, the size truly stresses me out. I don’t think we would actually take a game box this big ANYWHERE, which means we wouldn’t be bringing Wingspan over to introduce anyone else to play.
It is indeed pretty big! But I’ve selected the size to fit in a fairly normal bag (the type of bag you might carry to a game night)–it fits well. :)
I completely forgot about the score pads. will those just go on the bottom? or maybe on the top?
Everything is looking soooo nice. I am very excited for the flexibility this box gives us in determining how we want to play and I hope everyone can see just how brilliantly this was done.
Some months I just want to shuffle up all the cards and use a stack to play with. the built in dividers make this extremely easy to do. and when I have used one stack, I can move on to the next and still cycle through allll the cards :) there is a “recently used” cardboard divider that helps with this as well.
and occasionally, I like to play with a more focused deck (like modular play) so I separate out the expansions. so I can pick both expansions to play with or 1 expansion with base. the built in dividers help with this as well and the new added labeled cardboard dividers assist with this. This box makes things easier no matter how I want to play, which is great! All the trays can still be used (for me, I plan to use a tray for discards during play and one for the bonus card deck). Everything just works and this box is getting me even more excited for years of playing wingspan.
Right, the score pad will go on the top layer. And yes, I’m hoping the “recently used” divider will be helpful as you mention here. :)
Hey Jamey,
Will there be a divider tile for the 17 nectar related bird cards in the Oceania Expansion? These are the only bird cards we seem to remove from the deck on occasion, so it would be great to have a divider for them.
I’m so looking forward to this. It’s going to be absolutely awesome!
A related question, but not exactly on topic: Do you have any idea when the double-sided player mats will be made available again? I’ve missed out on these, and I really want them.
Thanks! Production completed on the playmats a while ago, and we’re just waiting on the slow freight shipping process now. We’re hoping for later in September! :)
Thanks a lot for your quick, informative and positive reply! I felt I couldn’t wait any longer, risking other items to be temporarily sold out, so I ordered the speckled eggs and the spiralbound Scythe rulebook today. :) Looks like I will make another purchase from you shortly. ;)
We are big fans of Wingspan in this family. My husband and I play 1-2 games most evenings after we put the children to bed. We have all available expansions and look forward to your future ones!
But we do have a couple wishes:
1. We’d love your score-keeping app to archive games with win/loss statistics so we can keep track. We like to come up with new strategies for winning.
2. We wish the Wingspan game app used the expansions. I’ve also had a couple occasions when playing the app that my “once between turns” didn’t take place.
Keep the expansions coming! :)
Thanks Alissa! We actually don’t have a score-keeping app–we only make the tabletop elements of our games. Are you talking about ScytheKick? If so, I’d recommend sending that feedback directly to ScytheKick.
Same for Wingspan Digital–it is developed and managed by Monster Couch. They do have the expansion content in hand and are working on incorporating it (doing so is no easy task! :) ).
Hi Jamey,
The colors of the first and second layer look great, the lids of the trays as well.
I was thinking, for the bird deck there is a great storage/display solution to use on the table but there is no such tray/solution for the bonus cards. I think it is to late in the design process but could there be a tray for the bonus cards on the table. As stacked sleeved cards tend to slip and slide. Or is it intended that you use one of the three wells of the big/new bird card tray for the bonus cards.
Greetings,
Iris
Thanks Iris! To combine this with Kelly’s note below, what if you use one of the original card trays for bonus cards and discarded birds?
Please consider creating a container for the discard pile. I use a custom insert by Folded Space (highly recommend) and made an extra card holder for discards – works great.
I like the idea, Kelly, but I have no idea where it would fit in this box. Perhaps one of the multiple card trays could be used for that purpose?
Does the bottom layer come out easily? I was just thinking that some folks may like to swap the bottom and middle layer if they use the card trays more and don’t want to remove the entire deeper middle layer.
The bottom layer is just the box itself–it doesn’t remove at all. If you’re asking if the middle and top layers are reversible, the answer is yes.
really interested in this. Can you let me know if the “Dice Tower Bird Song for Wingspan Board Game” (https://www.etsy.com/listing/699474467/dice-tower-bird-song-for-wingspan-board) would fit in this Nesting Box?
thanks!
That’s a big, beautiful birdfeeder, but it will need to stay on your shelf–it won’t fit.
What are the depths of each of the three boxes, please? Thanks!
They’re not quite final yet. Just so I can plan accordingly, why do you ask? :)
Thanks for the quick response, Jamey.
I make card organizers on Etsy (https://www.etsy.com/listing/1001689191/wingspan-card-organizer-sleeved-cards). Many of my Wingspan enthusiast customers are looking forward to the future expansions and want an organizer that will hold all the cards. I would like to know the planned depth for the middle tray of your Nesting box, as it would be the max height that I could make a card organizer that would be compatible. Of course, we’re all scratching our heads about how to make a game with ~700 cards balanced and playable. My fave Chihuahuan Raven might only come up one in seven games(!?). I’m sure you’ll have a clever solution. I play a lot of Wingspan with my family – so great to have a game that our teenaged son will play with us. Thank you so much for a wonderful game.
We know the middle layer fits 3rd party organizers so look up what the Broken Token’s dimensions are because that will fit in the available space.
Thanks, Mike, but your photo shows a great deal of space above the Broken Token organizer, so unfortunately, that doesn’t answer the question. Again, I’m looking for the max depth of the middle tray. Thanks!
Helen: Thanks for clarifying. The interior height of the middle layer is just under 10 cm (98mm by my measurement).
As for the balance and playability of 700 cards, that is Elizabeth’s specialty! :) Starting with Oceania, we have started recommending that people choose 2 decks to shuffle together (say, Oceania and the core game or Oceania and European) just so you have a rough idea of what’s in the game and to keep the deck size manageable, but there’s nothing wrong (and it certainly makes for easier setup and cleanup) to simply shuffle everything together. That’s what I’ll be doing.
Thanks, Jamey. Perfect. I also understand that it’s a work-in-progress, and the final height might be different, but I appreciate knowing the current plan. Thanks!
I’m wondering why there is a whole side section in layer two for loose cards when there are additional, deeper card trays included for storing cards? I keep all of my bird cards in the trays, I don’t know why I would take the cards out of the card trays when storing. I do, however have my own components I’ve added (a physical nest to hold the eggs and a clip-on bird figure as a first player companion/token) so I would be inclined to store these two items in that side tray, in which case, having that space be divider-free would be much appreciated. It does seem a little big, which wouldn’t probably bother me, but for those concerned, would there be a way for it to be modular, where you could use it with either two or three of the sections, similar to some craft-storage cases? Really appreciate the extra birdhouse. I agree with others who have asked for an extra score pads (1 regular, 1 oceania) with this expansion.
Lauren: Great question, and there are a few reasons: One, accessibility. It’s easier to pull cards from the middle layer than the bottom layer, and the easiest cards to pull out of the box and plop on the table are those that are visible/exposed in that sidebar. Two, space. As noted in the post above, we need the box to accommodate all Wingspan cards ever printed–past, present, and future–in both sleeved and unsleeved form. That’ll take up more space than the trays will offer. Three, modularity. The bottom layer is largely there to fit things that don’t exist yet, things we don’t even know will exist until Elizabeth designs them. Maybe most of those things will just be cards and tokens, but some things might be bigger or more elaborate, hence the need for us to note entirely rely on the bottom layer for cards (and if you don’t sleeve your cards, it’s possible that you’ll never need the bottom layer for cards).
Hi Jamey,
I am finishing a design (and printing) an organizer for wingspan (base + both expansions). We use play mats, and a custom dice tower so they are removed from the box. However, my preference is to have one central resource supply (center of the play area), and designed one piece to hold all 6 resources, and you just pull it out and sit it on the table. The same with cards. I designed a piece that will fit in the box that will hold all bird cards (sleeved with sleeve kings std.- which will flow through a card shuffler), and has a magnetic lid that can be relocated to the top of the card box and be used as a display for the cards. Thus when a card is taken from the display, a new card can be drawn, easily underneath. Additionally, any random cards may be drawn from under as well. In the past, we have used standard SM resource mini trays for eggs, but I designed a new one with lids for the box, that basically serves the same purpose, but are printed in teal, and fit in the box.
Since we won’t play with out expansions (can’t play without nectar and all the new cards), we only include the new dice in the game box. All other content (solo, etc.), old dice, etc. are stored in the expansion boxes and not generally used.
I have always liked WIngspan, but Oceania made it one of my favorites!
oh, and it has a space for the end of round goals sheet (I have a printed holder for that as well) and it is located in the lid of the resource container. The organizer also has a space for the score pad (contained in action token lid).
I think I have surveyed every custom organizer on the market in order to make this one.
Would be nice if there were some extra score pads included, especially Oceania expansion score pads.
Such thoughtful, thorough design work!
It’s be more tempting if you included upgraded food tokens or a non cardboard dice tower, especially.
We won’t be including anything in the box that you can’t buy separately. Out of respect and appreciation to the many amazing third-party accessory creators who make things like special food tokens and dice towers, we will not make or include those components.
Can you please make sure the box can be laid in any orientation and the Wingspan name can still be read horizontally? You’ve done that with original Wingspan. I just wanted to be sure. I hate it when I have to tilt my head for some boxes just to read them or I have to stack them in an odd way to get the logo vertical. Small thing but important to some. Thank you Jamie
Stu: Typically we do that with square game boxes, but based on the size, we think most people will store the box horizontally (while it’s designed so the components won’t fall out in any orientation, the optimal orientation for the components is for the box to be stored horizontally). For that reason, on the two short sides, the word Wingspan will be horizontal.
Also, one other thought here is that if you greatly prefer one short side of the box to the other, if the words are aligned the same on both sides, you have an equal choice between the two sides.
For my taste, this box is far to big. I like to take Wingspan along to family gatherings, but then I don’t want is to be the size of a crate. Also wouldn’t it be wiser to wait until at least 60% of the expansions have been released to have a clearer picture of what’s going to be in it? (I own the Scythe Big Box, but that goes along for gaming weekends, not family gatherings.)
I agree with Tim – he’s making a great point. That proposed box is HUUUUUUGE. Right now I own original Wingspan (no neoprene) and the Europe expansion. I can easily grab both of those boxes and haul them along.
That said, I can see that the expansions are meant to be shuffled into the whole game, and I’m not going to take the time to sort them out every time we play. I will probably jury-rig my own two-box solution given the nice artwork on the boxes, maybe use the Europe smaller box to wrangle eggs and food etc and put the two card holders in the main WS box.
Anyway, I have a few BIG BOX games already and they cause a bit of an issue on my shelf. Of course, this is an optional purchase, so — ignore everything I said if you’d like! I appreciate you making this available to Wingspan owners if they want it! Y’all rock. :)
I will say, maybe it makes more sense to wait till the expansions are more settled, then build a box that really does fit exactly what you have, instead of having that whole bottom tray with all of its space “just in case”?
Big box solutions aren’t ideal for everyone. Maybe it’s just not your thing? With all of the upgrades I have, this box doesn’t seem big at all. If anything, it might end up being too small (I’m sure I can make it work for me, though). I think it will work in different ways for most people. I’m glad it’s being made now, so I can start amalgamating everything, then adapt as needed over time.
Hello Jamey, it looks like you have a near complete version of the box. I had one question which someone may have asked, but will the player cube well be large enough for the 3D printed birdhouses that are available?
Thanks, I look forward to seeing (and buying) the finished product.
I’m pretty sure, but I don’t have those tokens, and I can’t guarantee that every third-party or 3D printed accessory will fit.
Just an idea but instead of making trays narrower to get them out of the box, have you considered keeping them the same but adding a finger sized groove on one side of the tray?
We have, though it would have essentially the same impact on the size of the tray’s compartments. Allowing more than one finger in there makes them a little easier to extract.
I’m a huge fan of good organizers. I have purchased over a dozen 3rd party game organizers. For me, a great organizer does as least these two things well:
1) Keeps the components separated, and then doubles as a gameplay dispenser. This makes setup and cleanup much faster. The time savings simply brings me back to the game more. That is the whole point, right?
2) Also, and this is very important for me, the organizer should allow the entire box (when full, and closed) to tilt, lay on its side, or stand up without internal component mixing & messy internal spillage.
Honorable mentions go to:
• room for sleeved cards *
• room for future expansions
• room for minor component replacement upgrades
• room for official neoprene mats.
*I tend to sleeve most of the cards in my games, but for Wingspan, I chose not to.
I understand that there are engineering/design challenges with come with these parameters, but that is what makes the hobby game world so amazing. We have come a long way from the cheesy mass-market games that we had when I was a kid. I’m excited for the Wingspan big box. Keep up the good work!
The sleeving thing is a debate that will never die I think. As a guy who used to sleeve and realized that its 99% of the time a waste of cash (most games dont get played enough to matter and with those savings you could just replace the games you do play a lot IF the cards get bad enough to matter and still have tons of money left over in savings), I find that having that spare space is often an inconvenience as you now have to deal with components moving, larger footprint, etc. On the flip side, I suppose that extra space is not always a horrible thing if the product is still being expanded upon. But yah, you should check how many games you sleeved and barely played (maybe you are an exemption to the rule) and calculate how much money is wasted on those games.
I’m loving the Nesting Box. My only ask would be finger slots so we can pull out parts without pushing against the box. My On Mars insert is really easy to pull out because there is space to grip with your thumb.
Definitely! We’ve taken that into consideration throughout the box, from the tray design to the height of the built in dividers to the dimensions of the trays (enough room to extract them). Is there a place in the photos you see a need for something we haven’t considered?
Please make sure this fits the Board Game Geek Store set of tokens!
They definitely fit–you can see how big and deep the wells are in these photos. :)
My only suggestion would be to have the token organizer be clear, if possible. The colors are part of what make this game enjoyable to play. The layout of the token organizer prototype looks great, and I think if it were to be clear, it would be perfect to be able to just take out and use during game play.
Thanks Autumn! The lid of this container will indeed be clear. If you’re also saying that the entire container should be clear, I’ve seen some inserts like that, and they just don’t look as polished on the table. Our plan is for all trays on to have an on-theme pastel color to match the other colors of Wingspan.
This may sound a bit fiddly, but have other plastic colors been considered besides black? The theme of the game is pastoral and the black is so stark and bold.
Absolutely! Here’s what we say in the above post: “All trays are thick, sturdy plastic, and the final versions will be various colors, not black.”
I guess I should read more thoroughly! Thanks for the quick reply. I’m totally in on this box too!
I looking forward to this being available for purchase!
I love the 4th incarnation of the prototype, really looking forward t o it. I did have one question though. I am wondering if the goal tiles area was completely full if there would really be enough room to get them out without a finger indentation on the outsides, not just in between the two sections?
That’s a great question, and currently the answer is no. However, that was a key revision I asked Panda to make, and it will be fixed in the next prototype (I’ll test it :) ).
This looks amazing–I love the organization elements and can’t wait to preorder it!
I saw the top try is meant to accommodate future rulebooks. One of my only complaints with my Scythe big box (+ broken token insert) is that the beautiful comprehensive rulebook doesn’t fit in the top with the spiral binding once everything is in. If at all possible, it would be great if the top area of the wingspan box was deep enough to accommodate whatever beautiful, comprehensive rulebook you all have planned after the full game is complete.
Thanks! Based on the height, a “complete” rulebook should fit just fine if all other rulebooks are removed. I’ll make sure to keep the spirals tight enough so that’s the case.
As someone who has already upgraded Wingspan with bird-meeples, sleeved cards, and wooden food tokens I would like as much flexibility in the box as possible. I’ll most likely build a custom foam insert to fit everything, so it’s more the size of the box I’m interested in.
The box seems awfully big, but I am very pleased to see that my existing BrokenToken insert will fit, that is the deciding factor for me.
The plastic trays will get thrown out. Ironically, I never would have bought the insert if the original had trays for everything. But now I love the insert.
I’m glad to see it will have room for my extra meeple birds. I have splurged on Wingspan accessories beyond all reason, and really happy to have a way to keep them all together with the insert.
It would be cool if this box was the same size as Scythe Legendary Box so they can stack together neatly.
It would be, but they’re completely different games with completely different needs. Both will fit on a Kallax, though.
I think accommodating the plastic card trays is an absolute must for me.
Definitely! You can see them in the bottom layer in the photos above.
I really like to have a game with all expansions in one box – but can I combine/ fit the broken token insert?
Absolutely! In fact, there’s a photo on the above page showing what the nesting box looks like with the Broken Token insert inside.
Ups – missed that – when can I order :-)
It would be great if the cards were stored in a removable box (like Terraforming Mars Big Box).
Thanks for the idea! Yes, several people have mentioned how much they like that aspect of Terraforming Mars. However, in Wingspan there’s no purpose to having a stack of 500 cards sitting on the table–at best you’ll get through 100 of them in a single game. Also, when all expansions are accounted for, there will be over 700 bird cards in Wingspan, so they take up quite a bit of space, particularly when sleeved. We’re happy with how the middle tray (which is removable) is designed to hold those cards–many of them vertically with built-in dividers, and some in a tall tray (like the original game, but deeper).
TM big box card box is not perfect though : due to the weight of the cards, only the cover come and it is so tight in the big box, it is not easy to get a good grip, I had to put the card box upside down for it to be manageable.
Interesting. When we play (usually 4-5 players), we run through about 160 cards. If more than one go for super tucking, then over 200.
I love that this is being made. I literally have EVERY GAME, expansion, etc from Stonemaier Games so thank you!. Through MeepleSource, I have upgraded every bird possible and the food tokens and I sleeve my cards with Premium MayDay Sleeves. In addition, I have the speckled eggs (2 packs!) a wooden upgraded bird feeder and the broken token insert. (Yes I bought the realistic nests for the eggs too from another third party). Knowing I will upgrade any future birds and food tokens, how much of this will actually fit in the box?
That’s awesome, Darryl! While I can’t guarantee that every upgraded component from third-party creators will fit (and I know the big wooden bird feeder won’t fit), the food tokens won’t have a problem fitting in the middle layer, and the bird tokens won’t have a problem fitting in the bottom layer.
I love what you’re doing with this box and organizer. The only thing I see so far is that there seems to be a lot of blank space around the cubbies for the player cubes, but it seems like there isn’t much room for upgraded player markers (I see you have the meeple source birds in baggies at the bottom. Would you be able to make those slots bigger to accommodate those add ons or are they already big enough?
There is a little space between those slots, but the limitation of these plastic trays is that they need around 6-8mm between each slot. These slots would need to be 3-4x bigger to fit the upgraded tokens, maybe even bigger, and there just isn’t room for that. They’ll need to stay in the bottom layer.
Looks great I can’t wait to get this so I can get Wingspan to the table quicker.
One question though regarding the action cubes with them being in those small slots are they easy to get out?
I can’t tell if they’re scooped out so you can pull them out easily. I found that an issue with some inserts when they have very small tokens in a deep pocket like area getting them out can be an issue.
Yes, all token compartments are scoopable and as wide as possible
Excellent, even more excited for this now!
A somewhat important question that has nothing to do with the design:
Is this going to be a one-off product or are you going to have them permanently in your catalogue?
This is because some people (me included) don’t have a regular income and will have to save up, perhaps up to a year or more, to be able to purchase this box as it does not look cheap (which is good, I wouldn’t want to buy a cheap box as it would fall apart quite soon) and might miss out on it if it’s a one-off.
Thanks
There’s nothing we make that is inherently a one-off product. As long as there’s demand for a product, we’ll make more of it. :) That goes for the Nesting Box too.
Brilliant, thank you.
Hey Jamie
I just voted too !
I can’t wait for Big Box but I have one very important thing:
Do you predict to fit in the box the: BGG GeekUp Bit Sets for Wingspan ? It would be awesome- I think that many users have this set ;)
I haven’t tried those specific bits, but I think there’s plenty of room for them.
I have 3D printed player pieces (birdhouses) and food. Will these fit?
There’s a lot of room in the compartments for both standard and custom components, but we can’t guarantee that every custom component will fit. Like, if the birdhouses are 1cm each, sure, they’ll fit. If they’re 5 inches each, they definitely will not fit.
I am looking at the card tray on the right side. I wonder if retrieving sleeved cards from it will result in dropping them because sleeves can make cards more slippery.
This is especially true the thicker the cards pack is.
The dividers in that section are 70mm tall (compared to the 87mm height of the cards), so I think there’s plenty of space above the cards to get a firm grip on them.
Am a newcomer to Wingspan, the subject may have already been addressed, however does the proposed box allow for sleeved Cards please ?
Welcome to Wingspan! Yes, this is answered in detail on the above page.
4th prototype looks wonderful :) Sooo excited to get it. Now all i need to get are those upgraded food resources……
Hi Jamey! The 4th prototype looks awesome and my only question is, will there be card dividers that can be placed among the cards to Label which cards are behind each divider? I assume with everyone having anywhere from no sleeves to various brands, the beginning and end of each expansion set of cards will be different. I’d love to be able to clearly see my divider Labels and know where every set of cards are. Same for the bonus card area and starter cards and Automa cards. I’d love to be able to divide them and Label each divider, even if I have to hand write the name on the divider (as I know you can’t make them all because the expansions aren’t complete yet).
Thanks for all of the great communication on the “Nest”!
We’re including some pre-labeled card divider tiles (1 per continent, plus 1 for promos and 1 for recently used cards).
Sweet, thanks again! Would you kindly consider 2 more to be complete, 1 for Bonus cards and 1 for Automa cards? :)
We have a special built-in section for them (it’s the two-part pocket near the dice tower).
Yeah I saw that and was thinking about when people using sleeves, or not, may need to or want to relocate the Bonus or Automa cards, it’d be nice to have the divider for them.
Maybe they could have the printed expansion/continent names on one end but an empty space to write in whatever you want on the other end. That way if someone had their own way of categorizing, they can just use the same dividers.
Those unsleeeved cards in the picture above looks pretty tight. I see you said with thin sleeve will hold about 850. Exactly how thin? For example, Gamegenic sleeve has “reinforced thickness” of 100 micron. I am not sure if that would consider thin, medium or thick. Including the micron info would be very helpful. “Very thin or Premium thickness” is kinda of abstract.
.05mm vs .1mm
Basically you are saying with .05mm (thin) would hold about 850 and .1mm would cut that in half — assuming about 425 (thick)? Isn’t there a way to make the box holds all 700 cards — either thin or thick sleeves? Such as plug-in card holders by removing one of the plastic tray and replace it with a cardboard card holders (like the built-in one). You know like modification version. I would prefer to use the premium sleeves, but would hate to break it up and store it somewhere else in the box.
This is the way I’ve determined we can hold the most cards in the middle layer.
I love the new changes to the trays. Really looking forward to this!
Hi Jamey,
All the new integrations look great, I think the plastic trays from the middle layer became way more useful. Especially with more slim design of the tray with food tokens and eggs, this will be more practical on the table than the square designs I think.
I look forward to all the colors you will choose for the plastic inserts, more pastel colors as the other two tray’s maybe some orange as the orange of the Oceania expansion doesn’t have a plastic tray yet to be incorporated?
I was wondering as I have heard that you want to produce as little waist as possible. Will you be offering the nesting box without the plastic inserts for people who already have inserts and will only put them in the trash (hopefully recycle)? I would understand this would complicate the manufacturing process. But as I understand you (Stonemaier Games) would be the sole seller/selling party it would give less problems in distribution. Maybe it would be interesting to add a question to your survey for people who have inserts if they would want to buy a box without the plastic tray’s.
Greetings!
Thanks Iris! Yes, we’re choosing pastel colors for the trays.
There will be one version of the box. The plastic trays are made from recycled plastic, as is the cardboard.
Love the new tray designs!
Just to clarify, does the new bird card tray come with a separate display mat (lid), or would we be using the lid from the tray on the third layer? In other words, are there two trays *and* two lids in the box or two trays and one lid?
A nit-picky observation: I’m not sure about the indentation for the first-player marker. Normally I’d be really into the idea but I think a lot of us have replaced the cardboard disc and none of the replacements would fit in that spot, so the indentation would serve no purpose. Anything anyone is using for a first-player marker (including the original disc) could sit inside the bird feeder (which is also a setup tray of sorts), so it’s not really necessary for there to be a dedicated space on the new setup tray. I know some might disagree with me but I’m just thinking about ways to organize that won’t leave a bunch of empty notches and wells for those of us who have upgraded.
Yes, the new bird card tray comes with its own separate display lid.
That’s wonderful! Thanks!
Concur. I use, for my 1st person token, a 3D printed owl – given to me as a gift. I then add a 3d mouse (hanging from owl’s beak) and head of a 3D worm poking out of the log which owl is sitting on. Said owl nests quite comfortably inside dice tower between games.
Just saw the 4th prototype, and I love it. Thanks for listening to all the player feedback! 😊
Agreed! The new trays look great!
I have one question/suggestion. What about the original box and the (so far) two expansion boxes? Can they be incorporated into this? Maybe if they are open with the lid and bottom together you could put the inserts you’ve shown above into them. I just would hate to see the original boxes separated or as a friend I asked said she’d do (throw out-gasp)!!!
Thanks Laura! I’m glad you like the original packaging. They won’t be a part of the nesting box, but I’ve seen people hang them on their walls using 2 nails in the upper corners, and they look great that way!
I’m not sure if the oval shaped bins for the cubes would be large enough to accommodate upgraded “cubes”; I have a few bird meeples to replace the cubes, some of them are quite large.
That’s correct, such tokens will need to be stored in the bottom layer.
I like the idea of the removable card holder having a cut-out in the front with a lid that dips down to accommodate. I can imagine using it directly on the table, so allowing room to slide cards up out of the holder would be ideal (as opposed to reaching down from the top).
Perhaps an alternative would be to consider the card holder as something that could be placed on it’s side on the table (so the cards end up in stacks). I wonder if that might allow for some ridges (or indentations) on the front face of the holder, where we could still place three cards on “top” when the holder is laying on its side on the table. In that way, it could mimic the function of the current bird trays but have card-holding power as well. Taking that a step further, what if the card holder’s lid could somehow double as a bird tray and sit on top of the card holder when it’s on its side? Cards can be drawn from underneath and placed in the lid/tray on top.
Not sure I explained that very well but I didn’t think an ASCII diagram would be useful either. ;)
Would it be possible to ressource trays (eggs and food) from the rest? For me the main point on having such inserts is to just plop them down on the table and be done with setup. Right now if I use those inserts I will have a lot of „dead Space“ because all those empty slots after setup – the player cubes, dice holder etc …all of them ar not needed during gameplay (only for setup)…but when I want them on the table while playing I‘ll have a lot of wasted space.
Please consider just or 2 small trays for the eggs and resources. Maybe have one large container and one with smaller sections. So if people want to have all the food separated then the could do this and leave the eggs in the big one…or they. An separate the eggs by color (or not) and throw all the food in the big bin.
Hope this was not too confusing… would love a big box. But it really comes done to ease of setup and useful use of the table space. Cheers!
A thought… what if it was *THREE* trays instead of two? One large tray that holds all of the cardboard tokens, dice, player cubes, and extra eggs/food spill-over + *TWO* half-size trays that sit side-by-side on top, intended to be placed on the table and hold *only* food and eggs. Those trays can be identical, to allow for separation of food types and eggs. They can come out and be be placed directly on either end of the table for easy access. No empty wells. The larger one can stay in the box.
Yep, that’s what we’re doing! :) You’ll see it in the fourth prototype.
Haha, amazing! Love it!
The two half-size trays could even be: 1) all eggs and 2) all food (separated by type). Extras that don’t fit in these trays could go in the spill-over tray that stays in the box.
Hi Jamey, is there’s a possibility of branding the clear plastic that goes on top of the trays with the wingspan logo? I’m thinking about awaken realms games that do this and how it does add to the feel of the tray\storage
Thanks Adrian! I think that should be possible.
Jamey,
The fact that you have included spaces for custome made tokens and orher inserts makes me respect and appreciate you even more as a game designer. You have the player’s experience in mind and that is fantastic. Thanks for creating something like this for us Wingspan Fans. I’m looking forward to this Nest Box and the future expansions.
I totally agree!
This looks great, and I plan to have my FLGS order me a copy. Or will it only be available from Stonemaier?
Also, you may consider having this contain a single promo card. Because having a gameplay component in the box will allow BGG to label this an expansion and not an accessory. It seems to me that accessory’s get the short end of the stick over there.
I would also like to see all the food trays the same size, I use the BGG ones that are a thick plastic, and will be ordering the Oceania upgrade when it arrives. Therefore, they should all have the same storage space.
I‘m wondering if all this card storage is really necessary, if we can already accommodate the two trays that were designed to hold the cards in the first place. The box seems to be larger than necessary.
Yes, it is necessary for those of us who sleeve cards. There will be four more expansions as well, so I expect there will be card spill-over into the bottom section. On top of that, the extra open storage in the bottom for upgraded components is very useful. I have already been wondering if I’ll be able to get everything in there in the end. Not complaining, but I definitely wouldn’t want to see it made smaller that what has been proposed so far.
I’m sorry, John, but it would be cost-prohibitive for this to be a distributor/retailer product. I’m aiming for a $40 price point ($30 for Champions) based on our ability to sell direct, but based on the cost of making this box and the large discount distributors and retailers require, it would increase the price of the box to being more expensive than the game itself.
The box will not include any gameplay content, as if we did that, we would need to sell that content separately, so we might as well sell it separately in the first place and not “gate” it via the nesting box. I hear your concern about how it’s listed on BGG, and perhaps an argument could be made that the inclusion of a spare cardboard birdfeeder in the box could count as a “promo”.
Is having the extra room in the bottom of the box for the trays and such necessary? Seems like there is plenty of room for everything above it. Just curious as this might make the overall footprint smaller.
It is absolutely necessary for me. I sleeve my cards and I have a lot of upgraded components. The bottom tray serves as extra storage for both of those things and I expect I will use it all.
Agree, I have upgraded components as well, will probably use all layers too.
The biggest thing to me would be card storage that could double as a bird tray. I’m not sure how well your proposed modification to the third prototype would work in that respect, but maybe it would make more sense to me if I saw it. Even just a deeper (and possibly sturdier?) version of the current bird trays would be nice.
My opinion, those trays are just too wide, and take up a lot of space on the table top. Would almost prefer more trays, but narrower trays that are low profile. Always looking for compact storage, but ones that is easy to stack and store and unpack again. Like the display aspect of the plastic card tray what was provided, but they just take up too much space in that format, and I don’t know how well that plastic will hold up. Would love an improvement for bird storage and play. Would also love to be able to get down to a SINGLE box. But I don’t just like storage in the box, I like to storage to easily move right to the table for play. I already had to replace the birdfeeder as it was falling apart (too much play action LOL).
Sounds great! We’ll do it that way. :)
I am very interested in this. I like having the food separated as you have to pick certain food. I also have the user pieces are separated as I like having the ability to set the game up right out of the box. This looks like it would accomplish things for the most part. Look forward to see if you find any better ways to make it work.
I’m so looking forward to this, the current 3 boxes are very awkward to stock everything.
My three wishes :
– Please allow for sleeved cards to fit ! I sleeve all my cards.
– Please don’t make it a premium product… I just need a well-put together box, an affordable one. I need to save what little money I have for the next expansions !
– If the tray can be used to draw cards and tokens, and to present the 3 available birds, even better ! I like the current box tops for the 3 birds, but I’d rather have one included in order to not carry them in the box.
Hey, Jamey, nice work!
I think most of the ideas discussed are good in either case for me (fixed or modular dividers, ribbons or finger hole, etc.), but I think the removable card tray is not nice-looking. It almost feels like the cards are in a trash can, and that does not make justice to the beautiful artwork in the game!
I agree! We’re working on a big fix for that tray.
Would a tray (or trays) made from cardboard be much more expensive than injection molded plastic?
They’re actually less expensive, but it’s a matter of how much we can customize plastic compared to cardboard.
It’s looking great, Jamey!
For the playmat area, instead of adding more ribbons or finger holes, would a “hill” added on the bottom of the section make it possible to push down on one side of the mats to pop it up on the other side? This would mean we have to put the cardboard playmats on the bottom I think.
For the right food tray, I think as long as there is enough room for food for 2-3 players in the compartments currently, the sizing is fine and doesn’t need to be equally distributed. IF the food amount is a little light in the main food compartments, then I say equally distribute the sizes between main food and nectar. I don’t want to have to pull “Extras” for food out the other tray for my regular two player games.
Another option for alterations could be to turn these 2 trays into 4 trays. (Taking up the same space in the box)…Put food, nectar and eggs in 2 separate trays (like it is currently) so it can spread across the table for larger games as you intended. And then put the dice, goal tiles, and player markers into two trays as well. Except these 2 we can leave in the box while we play. All the trays would be more organized and that way we can just access certain trays for play and leave others in the box.
For the card compartment tray… I dont know if this is possible, but can we make this tray look exactly like the built-in side (make it a cardboard insert like the main compartments). Only differences would be that this one is removable cardboard (not plastic) and has ribbons to lift it up from the middle section (next to the plastic resource trays). For some reason I am just not agreeing with the current plastic tray insert for cards.
I like the idea of thicker plastic. I like the separate food compartments instead of mixing food.
Lots of great ideas here, Cami–thank you! I’ll look into them. :)
Hi Jamey,
Thank you for the update.
“The two stackable trays are each unique now. I learned through the poll on this poll that some people (like me) prefer to mix their food tokens together while others prefer to keep them separate. So now there’s a tray for each preference.”
I do like the idea to have two trays for larger player count. However, while the users who like to mix food tokens can still put mixed food tokens to the divided slots, the users who like to separate food tokens has no options but to keep some food tokens mixed for the other tray.
Since majority (over 65%) would like to have the food token separate, can we have divider(s) that to fit the mixed food token area to make that tray can be divided by the food types?
Cheers!
Ben: I agree that those of us who like mixed tokens could be satisfied with dividers, as tokens can just get mixed together in each divider. In the fourth prototype, there will not be a general pool of tokens in either tray.
Hello Jamey and the Stonemaier team,
I have been reading the updates from the nesting box and answered the poll’s. But as the new questions are not included in poll’s here are some of my answers. I like the ribbon to lift up the mats, a finger hole would probably not reach the bottom of the layer and therefore the last mat(s)/board(s) would still be hard to get out.
I am one of the player that voted for the adjustable dividers, not only to be able to sort the cards how I would like but also to have the ability to lay the cards flat on the second layer. Although I always try to minimize the wear and tear of games. I had never sleeved cars before. But as I was drawn to Wingspan partially by the beautiful illustrations I have sleeved my Wingspan cards. As standing cards can warp overtime I would like to minimize this as well, therefore I would like to be able to lay my cards flat. To minimize the possibility of warping the beautifully illustrated cards. If the dividers are adjustable I would be able to do this on the second layer.
We always play with the food separated by type, so for the separated food section it would be visually more pleasing if all sections were the same, but it would be more useful to have a larger nectar section as there are more nectar tokens than the other types of food tokens, as of now. If the width of the nectar section is not just slightly smaller but as big as it now is or slightly bigger, I think it is still visually pleasing.
I think if the card tray would dip lower with slanted edges at the side it would be more visually pleasing as more useful, you could then set this on the table as the card deck, with either one card front facing as the open faced drawing cards with the other backward facing as the card deck. Or use it only as the card deck and have one of the lids used as the open faced drawing cards. It would allow for a much larger deck to be set out, we often have both tray’s on the table to make sure we have all available cards on the table to use in our game. But this would reduce the footprint and have all birds available.
Some side notes, are you sure to only have these 2 set’s of dice for the following expansions? Otherwise maybe make a spare row for possible future dice or make just one row for the most used dice and keep the other dice on the third layer or in one of the places in the second layer. Also is there a slight ridge between the two dice row’s? If not maybe consider this, if people don’t have the Oceania expansion the dice would be able to slide around in the compartment.
Would it be possible to maybe divide the nectar token section in the none dived tray? This would allow players who do dived there food to be able to used the two nectar sections and the three player cube sections to use as dived food sections.
Hope you have a wonderful day and I will keep waiting for updates on the nesting box and the next expansion of Wingspan.
Thanks for the great feedback, Iris! It’s helpful to know how various people envision using this box. In the next iteration of the trays, I’m going to separate the two sets of 5 dice. It’s possible there will be new dice in future expansions, but I really don’t know. If so, you’ll probably still only ever need 5 dice per game, so any unused dice can be kept in the bottom layer.
In the next iteration, I think I’m just going to have both trays with separated food.
Hi Jamey,
Thanks for your reply, after some more thoughts on two tray with separated food I was wondering the following. If you won’t make two different tray’s to cater to the preference of separated or non separated food users. Would it be more useful to make one “table tray” and one “storage tray”? As the player cube section, dice section and end of round sections are meaningless to game play once it has started. Than you would be able to make the food and nectar tokens a bit longer and the egg part a bit wider on the so called “table tray”. This would maybe leave some space on the “storage tray” but this could be used as egg overflow if you have bought the extra eggs and add them at the beginning of a session to the “table tray”. The downfall to this would be that the you don’t have two tray’s to divide over the players, but we always have everything in the middle of the table as essentially all game components are to be used by all players.
Have a nice day!
Thanks Iris! I like that idea!
Great idea! Being able to leave the unnecessary stuff off the table would be really helpful for space. Why have all the spots for player tokens on the board when they won’t be needed? Would rather have one tray dedicated to everything used in the game. Plus having more sections would also be helpful in case more food or other token types are added later (like maybe nest-building ingredients or something), then those could go on the table and still be separated.
Mike: I agree with everything you’ve said except for the expandability of new tokens: For future food tokens, I think a general pit is far better. That said, the fourth prototype will feature two identical gameplay trays with 6 sections for food, and if Elizabeth adds another food type in the future, players will simply need to mix them in, as there isn’t room on the trays for another section.
Iblike the ribbon over finger holes for top layer
I think the box looks ok, but the two stackable plastic trays are a problem for our usage.
In today’s Wingspan, we’re putting a few low profile plastic containers on the table, because that’s what we’ll be using during the game to present food and eggs. The stackable plastic trays in the big box will have slots for food and eggs, but they’re huge, and attached to them are also slots for playercubes, dice, bonus tiles — components you’re only drawing at the start of the game. There’s no need to present the table to these after the game has started. Either they will be empty since you took stuff out of them, or they will present components you’re not going to be using that game. Even nectar, if we don’t play with nectar it will still be there, presented on the table, along with the unselected dice.
And that’s the problem. Because of how these two stackable plastic trays try to accomplish so much at once, we won’t use them. It’s too bulky instead of being elegant. As of now we won’t place eggs and food in them, because we want to present these on the table in a much neater, more low profile way. And we don’t want to have to scoop out food and eggs from these removable plastic trays each game, so we won’t store it in them either. All of this just because the stackable plastic trays try to accomplish too much at once.
We can store food and eggs in the bottom section of the box, inside the plastic containers. But future expansions might need this space, so there’s a possibility there won’t be room for plastic containers there in the future, meaning we will be forced to resort to the removable plastic trays that we don’t want to use.
I can’t see us using the removable card tray either, because it doesn’t have the capability to present three cards face up. So we’re going to be using the lid of one of the current card trays for that, at which point we might as well just use the tray as a whole. Not only does it look better, but we prefer how it presents cards facedown instead of standing up like the removable card tray does. If the removable card tray can’t fulfill the job of presenting cards face up, why even have it? Being able to store all 90micron sleeved cards in the middle compartment (not having to relocate some to the bottom) is more important to us than having a removable card tray that can’t replace the current card trays.
Either way, keep up the good work! :)
I’m curious what dimension you view as huge? Let me know, and then I’ll tell you the real size of one tray (you only need one on the table for 2-3 players). :)
The removable card tray is for storage, not gameplay.
I think it would be cool if the plastic card organizer would instead be configured to be a usable card tray (or shoe) for drawing face-down from. So we could pull it out with a big stack of flat cards ready to play. There are plenty of places already to organize cards in the box and it seems like this could instead be another pull-out gameplay component.
I’m not sure if cards would fit flat in there now (It doesn’t look like it), but you probably could do two draw trays side-by side if you rotate them 90 degrees. So you could use them as a draw tray and a discard tray. This would still be able to hold cards while in the box so you wouldn’t lose much storage.
Thanks for sharing! I’ll look into this.
Yes I was thinking the same thing! My cards are sleeved and they don’t all fit and it’s a huge challenge! I want to be able to have all the cards out at once instead of hiding some back in the box because of overflow.
If you haven’t seen it – the Terraforming Mars Big Box addressed this problem of large card stacks by having the horizontal card storage box be able to be turned vertical with two small foldable ramps (built Wingspan dice tower style from one cardboard punch sheet) to tilt the cards to allow the top and bottom of the card storage box to become draw/discard card towers.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/strongholdgames/terraforming-mars-big-box/posts/2878757?ref=bggforums
This does generate the need to store the ramps somewhere though.
I’ve seen it. But there’s really no reason for all cards in Wingspan to ever be on the table at the same time–at most you need 150 cards per session. Plus, after Wingspan’s expansions are complete, there will be far too many cards to fit in such a single row.
Great work! I support the idea of using thicker plastic for the inserts – it makes a big difference in the long run, particularly in a case like this in which there will be a lot of weight on top of the layers (or if you rotate the box).
Yes, a cut-out on the card wells would be nice – or use clear plastic?
Yes, l like that the Nectar well is larger – it helps distinguish were it goes, and the nectar pieces are a bit larger if you have the wooden ones.
What color are you thinking for the plastic inserts? I think white would be nice – it would set off all of ghe components nicely.
Thanks Vicky! I’ve selected a different pastel color for each of the inserts so you can identify them by color.
I like the idea of white and clear!
The box is making reaally nice progress. I have two comments:
* you have asked the question regarding the fixed slots or the loose divider cards: right now I count seven slots for insering bird cards, three in the tray and four on the right. Does one slot hold all the north american bird cards? It would help if all continent have an assigned space. Right now if the North American cards will have to be divided over two slots, it would mean you have to combine the cards from two other continents. Maybe there needs to be a miscellaneous slot as well?
* you have made the choice to include seperate slots for the various kind of bird food. Wouldn’t it make sense to include an extra one in case Elizabeth decides to add an additional kind of food?
Keep on the good work!
Jan Willem: That’s a good question. The slots aren’t designed to hold any specific set of cards–you can assign any purpose you want to them. You might use different slots for different sets, different types of cards, cards you used recently vs a long time ago, etc. That said, the plastic tray in the middle layer should come close to holding all core game bird cards.
You’re right that it’s quite possible Elizabeth may add other food types someday, maybe even more than one. We don’t know. There isn’t room in those plastic trays for more slots, but (a) that’s why the left-side tray is handy, as you just put all food together there and (b) the bottom layer of the box is for all those sorts of things we haven’t thought of yet. You could, for example, put new food tokens in one of the clear plastic containers that you store down there.
Overall it looks great. I would like to see the wells for the player pieces be a little bigger if possible. I don’t use the cubes anymore, and I am sure I am not alone. I’ve seen birds (small plastic ones, or the wooden meeplesource ones.) I personally use little birdhouses I 3D printed. And I am sure there are other options.
Couple that with it looks like it might be tough to get the cubes out if you have large fingers. So perhaps slightly deeper and wider wells for the action tokens. But I think overall, you’re on the right track.
Thanks! We’ve made those player token wells as wide and deep as possible.
I’m still not in love with the dice portion of the plastic trays. I’m wondering if the dice slots require both sets to be in there, or if it’s possible to keep 1 set of dice in the tray, and maybe keep the other set in a bag in the 3rd layer of the box.
Also, does only having spots for 2 sets of dice affect the possibility of more sets of dice in future expansions?
Nate: Sure, it’s possible to put the dice elsewhere. If a future set requires more dice, they would be stored elsewhere. The bottom layer of the box is quite modular in those regards.
It’s all looking good! Regarding adding an extra bird feeder, have you considered instead of another cardboard version that will be subject to the same wear as the original, a wood version instead? I liked that the Everdell everything box came with one instead of the cardboard that folks were complaining about the durability of. I realize this would increase the cost, but it would be worth it for me to have something that I don’t have to worry about wearing out as I add to the game over the years.
Chad: We actually have an agreement with the designer of the birdfeeder, Tower Rex, that we’ll only make the cardboard version. They offer a very affordable wooden version on Etsy.
No sure if i am the only one, i did use coin capsules to protect my precious food tokens, I hope there is enough space for me to put all my token including those from future expansion, I will be sad if it will not fit.
There’s lots of space for food tokens. :)
I, and probably a lot of players, like to cycle through most of the cards in subsequent games and then do a mega shuffle. So, i would definitely want the plastic center bird tray to have functionality as a large card holder for game play. I could see myself playing down the deck, and putting used cards after each game in a side section.
Do the dimensions work so it could be the size of the current trays but deeper, and have the same top that holds the face up birds? Or, have whatever new top also hold face up birds with a new design? Otherwise, of this serves as a in-game deck holder, you need to fish out a tray top from the lowest level.
David: I like the idea of using that tray for the purpose you describe–the tray itself, not the lid. The dimensions don’t work out to have the same lid as the original bird trays.
I figured the original lid wouldn’t work. Still, would be great if the new lid had the same functionality (fwiw, I think the lid-as-card-holder is a great design element)
Add a drawstring bag for randomly selecting end of round goal tokens and this looks like it has absolutely everything you could ever ask of for a big box!
“So if you have super thick premium sleeves, you will eventually need to place some of those cards in a card tray in the bottom layer of the big box.”
I wanted to confirm that the above statement above means I will still be able to store every card *somewhere* in the box if I sleeve them all with premium sleeves.
Also my vote is for the Nesting Box. I like the double entendre of how the different layers are nested within the box.
Yes, with premium sleeves, most will fit in the middle layer, and the rest will go in a card tray in the bottom layer.
Excellent, thank you for the confirmation.
The box looks amazing. But please reconsider a loose card box for all the cards. I mean how will you get the cards out of the big box if its stuffed? See Alex Radcliffes joy when he discovers Stronghold has added dividers to his TfM Big Box. All the cards in one card box and dividers (if you want) to separate cards from expansions (or sort them however you like).
https://youtu.be/kEn6A8epL0M?t=1505
/Jens
“But please reconsider a loose card box for all the cards.”
We are, but based on the poll on the above page, people seem to prefer built-in dividers.
“I mean how will you get the cards out of the big box if its stuffed?”
The dividers are 70mm tall, while the cards are 87mm tall. That’s plenty of room to extract the cards. Also, as noted on the page above, there’s plenty of room for the cards.
Thank you Jamey. Yes then it should be plenty of room to pull the cards out.
If maybe you could consider it, I think it would be interesting to have a poll to check if players prefer a box that you can pull out and use directly (just put it on a stand) or you need to pull out the cards from that section of the big box every time.
I will either way buy the big box. I need somewhere to store all the expansions content :)
/Jens
I’ve seen the box you’re talking about in Terraforming Mars, and I just don’t see the correlation to Wingspan (hence no need for a poll). There’s never a need in Wingspan to have a deck of 500 cards on the table–it would just get in the way. The dividers provide an additional service here: While you could use them to keep expansions separated, you could also use them to separate cards that you used recently compared to cards you haven’t used in a while. In using it that way, you can just pick a section of the box, pull the cards out of that section, give them a quick shuffle, and start playing. :)
That was my plan… have all Cards out in a pull out case and play with whatever comes out, lot of shuffling tho. I may take you up on that idea Jamey. Distribute the expansions somewhat evenly in the different sections, then take out two piles and play with those a couple of times, then separate them and put them back. Over time they will be part of one big ‘Meta shuffle’! 😂😂🤪
We always play with all the cards we have (base game and both available expansions), so yeah, lots of shuffling at the beginning :D but with the dividers we could have a big shuffling day and afterwards divide the pile into smaller ones for 1 game each without having to actively decide which cards are used together
@Runninggag…Yes me too. Always play with all the cards from all the expansioins. I don’t see a reason to just play with a specific expansion. I shuffle all the cards once. And after one play you will have two piles. One played and one unplayed. With a removable divider you can put that between the two piles in the box. So it will be easier to just pick the unplayed pile from the box and when finished put back the played cards behind the divider. In this way you will eventually get a chance to play with all of the cards. By reshuffling after/before all games it will be a risk of never pulling some of the cards. You will also save time with setup and teardown.
If you go with built-in dividers, are you going to size them based on set sizes, or just divide the area into equal parts? If they are based on set sizes, would you make the determination using sleeveless, thin sleeves, thick sleeves, etc? If they’re equal areas and not sized to fit specific cards, then it’s probably a non-issue but if they are made to fit, for example, Wingpsan in one spot, EE in the next, Oceania in the next, etc., those spaces would become less functional if we have the “wrong sleeves” or something. That would lead me to much prefer loose dividers.
If you end up going with loose, do you think they would be the shorter dividers like in the prototype, or would they be Aeon’s End style where they are as tall or taller with a small tab on the top for a label?
Whatever you decide, I definitely appreciate that you listened to fans and at least are doing due diligence on the item.
Geoff: We don’t know the size of future sets, so currently there are a few different sizes. The built-in dividers are 70mm tall so it’s easy to extract cards (which are 87mm tall).
I’m waiting for this big box since first expansion 😁
One question – are you planning to make a new player boards: graphics from base game but with Oceania’s changes? It could be available to buy separately.
Thanks for asking, but no: The original player matters are still the core player mats to be used with all expansions. The Oceania mats are specifically for playing with the Oceania expansion.
I just answered your questionaires. With regards to the question about the divider cards, I would like to make an additional suggestion. Right now there are five spaces for the wingspan cards in the box. wouldn’t it make sense if there are seven designated spaces so each continent has their own space? Also you could include some additional loose divider cards, maybe 5-10 that gives people an opportunity to make their own selections. But I think a designated space per continent makes a lot of sense to me.
I 100% agree. I love the integrity of the built in dividers, but with sleeves vs no sleeves I need some divider cards so that I can organize by the 7 Continents based on however my sleeved cards fit. We go back and forth about which cards we are playing with so we will always have 4-5 expansions separated. I’d also love divider cards over on the left to label the Automa cards vs bonus cards vs reference tiles, etc. I’d love to be able to see the name of the section I’m grabbing from with the added structural integrity of some built in dividers.
Thanks Jamey for including us all on this prototype ride!
This is looking great!
Two big thumbs up from me for a removable, lidded tray with separate compartments for the different food types. That’s what I want: a tray I can easily lift out with one big compartment for eggs, and smaller compartments for nicely sorted food. The tray without the separate food compartments I would leave in the box with other components not in use in that game (not-in-use goal tiles, player tokens, dice, etc.).
I also like that there’s lots of room in the bottom layer for the small clear plastic containers. I use those during game play for each player’s action cubes and food tokens (and for the automa’s eggs in solo play). I would love to be able to store 5 of those all nicely packaged up with each colour of action cubes in a separate container with one of each food type. Anything to expedite set up and get this game into play faster!
My concern is that it won’t be flexible enough for future expansion content with sleeved cards. I am using both plastic card holding trays for all the cards at the moment, which is doing the job, in one of the expansion boxes (europe expansion), for storing just,,,, just,,,, only the cards.
Not knowing what expansions are to come couldn’t you just allow for the plastic boxes to fit straight into the box? Reducing the need to manufacture new plastic inserts? Perhaps that sit on top of the bird feeder and the branded small transparent plastic containers for the bird eggs? Perhaps just add some of these containers for the other items. This in mid of environmental sustainability. This fits the theme IMHO. As opposed to printing more plastic.
A lot of people no longer have the original card trays, so I think this is a good compromise. The original ones will fit on the bottom layer if you still have them and I believe it was mentioned that a third one may come with the box(?). The bottom layer seems to be kind of a catch-all for custom things, like organizers for upgraded components (or more cards). I have tons of Meeple Source upgrades, so I’m happy I won’t have to rely on the original card trays to hold the cards if I don’t want to. It will allow me more room on the bottom layer for a billion birds.
I like the look. I do worry about buying one. Cause looking at the base inside walls. It seems like 1 out of 3 of the games that I get the big box with those walls are coming apart at the joints. I like the idea and would pay more for something that has better construction to last longer.
Richard: Can you provide an example? Even just in prototype form, the construction is excellent–I don’t see any durability issues here.
Hi, looks fab and we will def bea customer once all is finalised. A quick question, sorry if its already answered in the long thread, we have the wooden bird tokens and food. I know they are not your products but will they all fit into the box?
They will! They’ll fit in the bottom layer. :)
This looks great. Anything I would have suggested seems to have been covered in the comments already. I love the idea of a component tray that can just be lifted out onto the table. The lidded trays in Euphoria are amazing – if the Nesting Box trays are similar, that would be delightful. Appreciate seeing all your replies, Jamey!
SUGGESTION: The middle tray — instead of using a plastic tray with three separators for the cards (the one goes in the middle of the tray. Why not build actual separators like the one on the side (four separators — making a total of 7 built-in separators. That way, the cards doesn’t move plus the weight of it (especially especially with the sleeves). Also seems there are room for second square tray (more places for 3rd parties tokens, etc).
The reason for the plastic card tray is to allow enough modularity and extra space in the middle section for third-party custom inserts. And yes, as noted in the article above, there will be two token trays, not just the one shown here.
Jamey,
I decided to take a measurement for you. Over time I’ve become a bit of an avid sleever, if you will. My go to brand was always Fantasy Flight. That is until Asmodee stopped making them in favor of GameGenic brand sleeves. Now, GameGenic, is my go to brand. The brand is well established enough that we can easily get their sleeves in our store. GameGenic’s line of sleeves is also deep enough to cover most of the cards you’ll come across minus a notable exception or two (looking at you Divinities from the 7 Wonders Duel: Pantheon expansion!).
Anyway, in my several years into this hobby I’ve noticed some things about sleeves. One, thickness matters, and thank god all GameGenic sleeves are 100 microns. Two, when you first sleeve a stack of cards, that stack will be thicker the first time you use it versus the 50th time you use it. When you first sleeve cards they’ll be more slippery versus after having handled them for the 50th time. Basically these cards, when stacked, will get a little thinner over time. At least, this has been my observation. How significant this affect is, I can’t say with any sort of scientific accuracy, nor do I have numbers to back this up.
That said, I recently sleeved a copy of Steampunk Rally Fusion which uses the same size of cards as Wingspan. I used GameGenic Standard American sleeves in the prime finish (as opposed to the Matte finish that’s also available). I just measured 100 of these sleeved cards. My not so super precise measurement came out to ~1.9375″ and that was me doing my best to eyeball it with a measuring tape.
As I mentioned though GameGenic sleeves are 100 microns which are on the thicker end of sleeves but by no means the thickest. Thickest I’ve seen is 120 microns which means you’d add about 20% to the measurement I gave.
Regardless though, my measurement is a single data point, for which a conclusion or guideline does not make. Best way to do your due diligence is to just pick up some of the most popular brands of sleeves and test them out.
One more thing I want to add is that I’ve seen mentions of you support some 3rd party inserts, etc. with this big box. You’ve mentioned you’ll support the official playmats that you offer along with the player boards that are included standard with the base game and Oceania expansion. One of my hopes is that you’ll support either of the custom goal boards available through Meeplesource. I’m not sure if I like the 1 double-sided cardboard goal board or the 2 single-sided goal mats but knowing there’d be room for either would be nice to know.
Oh, and with the trays for the eggs, etc. I hope you are making considerations for how these will fit on the table. I can’t speak for everyone in every situation but I know that our game shop along with many others will use those standard 30″ (2.5′) by 72″ (6′) tables for gaming. That or those 48″ (diameter) round tables. It would be useful to know if whatever you have planned to sit on the table during gameplay can fit on the table along with everything else needed to actually play the game. Also, not only that but also sit with in reaching distance of everyone that needs to reach it.
In closing though, thanks for the continued updates. I look forward to the day this is available for pre-order. :)
Thanks for these measurements, Cole! I really appreciate that.
Actually, in the photo of the top layer here, you can’t see it, but the Meeplesource goal mat is among those components too. :)
That’s a good point about table space. I don’t see that being an issue, but I’ll test it. The two token trays should make it really easy for everyone to have all the tokens they need within a short reach.
Hi Jamey,
This is awesome news and thank you for sharing the process of making this Nesting Box for our beloved birds! I am without a doubt, getting this organizer box.
Here are some comments/questions I have:
1. “The top layer is designed to hold 5 neoprene mats and two sets of 5 player mats, as well as the rulebooks and the goal mat.” – I secretly (not so secretly) hope in the next 4 expansions, 2 of those will include more player board variations/additions in order to make another double sided neoprene mat. So my question is, will this top section hold 10 neoprene mats? or even 12 neoprene mats (for people who added a sixth player) along with the rulebooks, given there are no regular player mats in the section with it? A follow up question, do you think under these conditions, will upgraded goal mats (possibly two smaller neoprene mats) fit with the 12 neoprene player mats and rulebooks? I know this is almost completely hypothetical with a lot of speculation but I am curious if you have any thoughts on this. :)
2. “The middle layer is designed to hold 1100 unsleeved bird cards (or 850 cards with thin sleeves or 450 cards with thick premium sleeves) between the removable tray and the right side.”- Do you consider 60 micron thick sleeves to be “thin sleeves”?
3. In the picture of the bottom section, we see there are deep groves in the side of the big box. Is this here to replace having finger handles on the middle section (like the first prototype)? If so, I like the idea and think it is a great alternative. Will the top section (with the manuals and player boards) have the finger handles removed as well or will they stay on? I ask because I know we can interchange the top and middle sections and if we were to use the manuals/play board section as a middle section, will the deep grooves allow us to remove that section with ease? Or does it need the finger holders on it (as shown here in this second prototype).
4. Clarification questions: Decreasing the width of the RIGHT side 4 bird card chambers will make it easier to remove the trays in the middle, correct? Decreasing the width of the LEFT side automa/bonus card chambers creates some extra room between the bird feeder and these chambers, correct? In that extra space created, can that be made to hold the reference tiles and first player token? I do not care for those sharing the same space with bonus cards.
5. “One of these trays will have separate dividers for 6 types of food; the other will not.”- PERFECT, thank you, as i like to divide my food by type. So on the tray not shown, we should expect to see 6 divided areas for food, area for eggs, 2-3 more player token areas, and what else? Is that it for the 2nd tray not shown? Will there only be 6 food types total or do we need a 7th divider for food (just in case another is added). Or is that when the bottom layer will be utilized?
6. “The big box will include 1 plastic tray”- So the big box comes with 1 plastic tray (used to hold our face up bird cards during play), which serves as our third plastic tray to add to our collection, correct? Will it be its own unique color as well? :)
Sorry this ended up being so long, but I like all the edits you plan to send off and can’t wait to see the final box!
Cami: Thanks for these questions! I’ll do my best to answer below:
1. The top layer will hold up to 5 neoprene playmats, two sets of 5 folded player mats, rulebooks, and goal mats.
2. Yes, I consider 60 micron sleeves to be thin sleeves.
3. Yes, the deep grooves are to prevent the need for handles on the middle layer. Currently I’ve left the handles on the top layer (they’re pretty helpful for that layer, particularly if you end up putting it in the middle section), but that could change.
4. Yes, the reason for making the right side of the middle layer more narrow (other than there simply being an overabundance of space there now) is to leave enough room to get your fingers down into the box to lift out the token inserts. There are various places where you could put the reference tile and first-player token, but there’s no room to extract it if we add a third compartment in the left corner.
5. You are approximately correct about the design/purpose of the tray not shown here, and I’ll show it when it’s ready.
6. Yes, and yes. :)
Hi Jamey,
I measured 100 of my cards sleeved in Ultra Pro Standard American sleeves (the standard thickness ones, NOT the lite version) and they came out to 2.375″ approximately.
I would also mention that on the purple/blue card trays, I limit myself specifically to no more than 60 cards per stack to ensure I don’t damage any cards. I want to say that on the blue one, it can handle 85-90 cards per stack unsleeved, so 1000 unsleeved cards would make me believe I only had room for 650 or so sleeved cards (my logic or math on this might be faulty as well as my assumption on the unsleeved limit).
I would also mention that yes I do separate out my resource types and I use the Geek Up Bits from BGG.
William: Thanks so much for measuring those cards! I really appreciate that.
Will the section that holds the eggs be big enough to hold all the eggs thus far (base and two expansions) and then also hold the Speckled eggs?
Shawn: Definitely! It’s actually two trays, not one, so there’s more than enough room between them.
For all those asking about custom inserts fitting in the big box… I think it is reasonable to assume that many of the custom insert makers out there will provide a “big box solution” that works with this box and organizes ALL of the expansions (and upgrades)—AFTER the expansions are released. Just look at the BT Scythe Legendary Box insert for an example (produced in two stages). I am very interested in this myself, as I have upgraded many of the components, bought all the extras (and own the BT insert), but I think we just have to trust this will be figured out when the time comes… and we’ll have to be patient until then.
That said, this box looks amazing and I’m really excited about it! Thanks!
Could we add dividers to sort cards by expansion or are the slots on the right for this?
The built-in slots on the right and in the plastic tray for cards are for this.
Looking great!! I’m happy to see there is already a vast number of improvements over Prototype #1. It’s looking better and better wit each iteration, congrats!
I only have one minor complaint, about one of the upcoming “fixes” for Prototype #3 (I’m sorry if you have already answered this but there’s quite a lot of comments!).
I’m talking especifically about the fix for less width on the right-hand section with the 4 compartments – there you include the comment “do not reduce the width of the plastic tray”; however, wouldn’t that cause the plastic trays to have some wiggle room and potentially move around when transporting the box, which could perhaps endanger their own integrity? If the whole point is to facilitate pulling the trays out, what about “finger holes/indentation” on a couple of corners of the plastic trays? This has been done in other games before and I think it’s a very elegant solution.
Jesus: Yeah, I thought a lot about that, and in this case I don’t think a finger hole is enough (nor do I think there’s room for a finger hole). It will mean that the tray will be a little loose, but not enough to cause trouble. I will test it in the next prototype to see if that’s an issue, though.
I love the names people are coming up with. The Sanctuary and The Nesting Box both sound awesome to me.
I appreciate that you have accommodated sleeved cards in your design. Thank you.
In your post, Jamey, you mentioned possibly not having a lid for the tokens. Even though it would be rare that I turn the box sideways, if I need to carry it in my Geek On backpack, the only way it will fit would be vertically, so if there is no lid, then all the tokens would fall out. I know it creates more plastic, but I prefer having a lid.
Thank you very much for providing a forum for customer opinions, Jamey. All of us have opinions and I am amazed that you can listen to all of these opinions (some of which sound intense) and not get stressed out. Bravo.
Lastly, you mentioned 4 more expansions. Does that mean Antarctica is getting its own expansion?
Jeremy: The token trays will both have lids. It’s the tray with the card that may not have a lid (but I think we’ll try to put a lid on it anyway).
The plan is that there will be one expansion per continent, and that does indeed include Antarctica.
Very impressive, and I look forward to getting it. Have you thought of simply calling it “The Nest?”
I am concerned about storing food tokens. I keep mine separated by type, and I have the cardboard tokens, 3D printed tokens, and the meeplesource wooden nectar tokens. I also have the extra speckled eggs (I don’t separate the eggs! 😄).
I currently have the Broken Token insert for the standard box. Any idea if/how that might fit in this?
Brian: Yes, as noted in the post, the middle and bottom trays have plenty of space for third-party custom inserts if you remove the plastic inserts included in our big box.
You’ve previously mentioned that you don’t like putting things out into the world that don’t get used (e.g. plastic trays).
This probably isn’t a thing because “marketing” and it’s challenging to split production runs, but with so many people interested in the big box, it would also be great to have a “low packaging” option for future expansions. I’d hate to buy this big box and then just toss all of the expansion boxes as I continue to fill the big box.
Mac: We can certainly consider that when possible. The difficult thing is that we have to put the components inside something to maintain their structural integrity, and if it’s not cardboard–which is easily recyclable–it’s probably plastic, which is not as easily recyclable. But perhaps we could look into packaging an expansion inside of a corrugated cardboard container box onto which we could print the packing label (to avoid having a box inside of a box).
Jamey I love the idea of a plain box with shipping label (no box in box) it sounds similar to the Amazon basics packaging which protects contents through post but is not for putting on shelf. I for one would jump at this option
I only really have two thoughts.
As someone who likes to upgrade my games and loves collecting the Meeplesource birds, I’m trying to figure out where I would put those in this setup. The bottom section MIGHT work, unless future expansions need the space. It looks like there might be enough empty space in the middle, but they would basically be left to lay loose in bags, which might just end up being a mess. Any thoughts on where I might store a growing (and likely to keep growing) aviary?
I echo the thoughts about being able to separate the food. I would probably prefer to not need my Broken Token tray, and it did a great job of separating things. This would be one of the few things that might make me have to keep it.
Otherwise, this is good progress.
I’ve heard a few people mention that they like to separate their food tokens, and I’ve looked at the trays to see if that possible…but it just isn’t something that can fit in the tray. However, you can still store them in the clear plastic containers, which fit in the bottom layer.
Currently my Meeplesource player tokens are in the bottom layer of the prototype.
Hey Jamey! I’m excited for a box…that means you are doing something right! I second the name Sanctuary. It’s a place where all of the birds are safe. I think a sizable number of the people interested in this box are like me and have all of the cards sleeved. Please try to ensure those of us with protective, thin sleeves are going to be happy with the design if you can. I really love the idea of the tray you can pull out onto the table and set next to the players. I would also love to see an extremely colorful (multi-colored) bird featured on the box top. Can’t wait to buy this box!
Thanks! I’ve seen a few people mention sleeves even though I’ve mentioned specifically in the above text that this box is designed to hold sleeved cards. Is there something I’m missing or something that makes it sound like the box isn’t designed for sleeved cards?
Your comment:
The middle layer is designed to hold over 1000 unsleeved cards cards (and some amount of sleeved cards, depending on the sleeve thickness),
Seems unclear about sleeved cards -‘some amount’? What does that mean? Enough for the expansions too?
Certainly not as definite as you are about unsleeved cards
I don’t have 1000 sleeved cards to put in the insert to test it, and every type of sleeve is slightly different. It sounds like you have sleeved cards–what is the width of 100 of your sleeved cards pressed together?
Hey Jamey, thanks for taking the time to reply. It looks like Pam beat me to it. I read in the description that “some amount of sleeved cards”. Doesn’t mean you made a mistake or anything just a couple of us weren’t clear if it will definitely hold all of the sleeved cards. I have all of the 3 sets sleeved and the occupation cards as well to protect the cards.
I’m guessing this won’t be an issue judging by your response.
Again, really excited for the Sanctuary. #boxhype
I chose that wording because different sleeves are different thicknesses, so I can’t give an exact number for how many sleeved cards will fit in the top layer. I’m guessing that number is around 800.
I like the idea of such a box!
I have some things to mention, trying to improve it.
The first layer I would agree. But maybe you could change layer 1 and 2? Or is it possible anyway? So it makes it easier to reach / put back smaller objects.
I would prefer to have all cards in one layer. I only need one card tray for playing… It would be too big for the 2nd layer I think…?
The different storing “types” I don’t understand: bottom, right side AND the plastic tray??? What for? It is not logical for me…
Finally I don’t like the trays… black is really a “heavy” color for such a game… but maybe that’s only the prototype?
Then it seems that they are quite big! They would take a lot of space on the table. And I prefer the food tokens to be stored separately. I also have a real nest for the eggs. It would be great to put this in the box. So I need the space for it and only need the storing for the food… Why do you attach the compartments for the goal and player tokens and the dice to put on the table? You don’t need them while playing.It takes much space.
Maybe you could design single ones that can be attached to each other depending on the space you have on the table (e.g. in a row circle…). Too much design…? I do have one idea in mind…
If the trays will stay like this, I probably won’t use them…
Oups, has become much text… I hope I don’t confuse you…
Heike: The top and middle layers are interchangeable. All of the cards will indeed be in the middle layer.
It’s a prototype–the final version won’t be white, nor will the final trays be black. The tray does not take any more table space than the plastic containers currently included in Wingspan. The reason those components are in the tray is to make setup super fast–just lift a tray out of the box and begin playing.
Jamey- I know you say no gameplay content, but it would nonetheless be kind of amazing if you included a small pack of promo cards. There have been a lot of great fan ideas in the forums- penguins, frogmouth, extinct birds, etc.; this could be kind of a nice way to release something like that.
While we hope to make some fun promo packs someday (probably extinct birds and highly requested birds from continents we’ve already covered), it definitely won’t be in the big box, because if we did that, we’d also have to sell the promo pack separately for those who don’t want to big box…which means we might as well separate it in the first place. :)
It might be a nice idea to consider adding swift start promo packs if it makes business sense. Those are 1) already sold separately 2) nice to have for fans who purchased Wingspan from the first release and didn’t see a need to buy them when they were released later.
Room cards in the box is not so good for people who have the game on another language.
Excited to see the development of this as I have and plan to buy each expansion and definitely need this!!! I currently have my game fairly “blinged” out.. including the Broken Token organizer with Meeple Source player pieces, food, and nectar. My question is this: the middle section will come with the trays shown I’m assuming (or a variant of these as you make modifications). Have you tested the box with a Broken Token organizer to see if at least the tokens/bits part will fit well (assuming you have to remove some if not all of the trays that you are including)?
Lindsay: I don’t have a Broken Token insert, but I know the measurements of it, and the middle section of the middle tray is designed to fit inserts of that size.
Jamey, just wanted to say great job, it’s looking awesome! Thanks for taking the time to answer almost everyone’s questions and suggestions.
Things are looking good!
Question about the birdfeeder. I have a wooden one that I’ve yet to glue. We always take cardboard one apart in two pieces to fit it in the original box. Would I be able to store the wooden birdfeeder whole or should I have it where it can be in two pieces? It’s similar in size to the original.
Tim: If it’s similar to the original birdfeeder, it will need to be in two pieces to store.
Exciting!! Love the name “Nesting Box”! We can’t wait to add this to our collection :)
I think this looks awesome! It’s remarkable some of the things that people complain about for a box they don’t have to use, or a box that has removable trays. I think a lot of the feed back for the third prototype is awesome and can’t wait to see the final result!
Glad to see that the 2nd protoype has arrived! :) I really like the idea of a box to fit them all, but I’m not so sure about the second layer of the box.
For example, I find it a bit hard / takes some effort to scoop the cubes from the Red Rising insert and therefor I hope these wells will be a bit different than the ones in the aforementioned insert.
We also like to keep every food type seperate. We have the plastic resource containers and some chocolate versions, is it an option to use these in some kind of container-holder for the food resources? Like some kind of plastic frame to hold those containers? It would be such a waste of those containers (I can probably use them for other games though, but I like them for the organising part).
Also, we have the speckled eggs, will there be a storage solution for them too?
And finally, is it an idea to maybe check the amount of sleeved cards that could fit the second layer of the insert? I know there are a lot of different sleeves with different thicknesses, but maybe it could be tested and then be added as a reference. I really like the idea of storing all the cards together on one layer.
Good luck with the development and all the feedback for the developer! :)
By testing the amount of sleeved cards, I mean with just 1 type and just mention the thickness and possibly the brand of those sleeves so we have a reference :)
Mark: You can definitely put the clear plastic containers in the bottom layer of the box if you prefer to use them to keep each food type separate.
As for the eggs, there’s plenty of room for them in the plastic trays (there will be two identical trays, only one of which is shown here, and even just one tray holds well over 100 eggs).
I don’t have sleeved cards, but if someone wants to tell me the thickness of, say, 100 sleeved cards, I can measure for it.
Hello,
This looks great! I really love the name the “Nesting box” and I’m excited to read there are 4 more expansions to come! I hope the box will be able to hold all the sleeved cards, and the trays won’t be in that black-gray color, which is ok,but average, unlike the colors of the two original cards boxes, blue and purple, which are exquisite.
Thanks for keeping the players up to date with this project and thank you for this wonderful game.
I like to keep all the cards separate by expansion when storing the game so I would mostly likely use the plastic containers to help do that. That would leave that middle layer pretty empty for me. I also have none of the neoprene mats so given that the top layer might also have a decent amount of unused space. I get and love that its being designed to hold it all but I given those that might leaves cards in the plastic and do not have the neoprene mats the open space might lead to things moving around to much when you move the box.
I’m a bit concerned about having the 2 sets of dice side by side with no separator in between them. It would be very easy to get them mixed up, and it would be tedious to have to check each die to see if it has nectar or not
Come on, its not that hard to check your dice. You have to look at them when you put them away the first time otherwise they are just mixed up anyway.
This sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining.
Bro. Jamey literally asked for input and I gave it. Just saying that a hard separator for the sets of dice is better than having them able to be mixed together because they are in the same slot.
I’m sorry, Nate, but there isn’t room for a plastic separator there.
I definitely will be buying this and I won’t need my wife’s permission this time! Two weeks after buying Wingspan for her, we were on honeymoon and I crushed the top of the box when I closed the trunk of the car… there’s a big hole in the lid! I just about saved my marriage and hoped there would be a big box to replace the one I wrecked!
This looks great. We have been looking for a storage solution, with room for expansions. As a suggestion for a name how’s about the Eyrie, or the Rookery!
Will there be a way to keep food separate? Currently, we keep worms/fish/mice in one of the plastic trays, wheat/berry in another, and nectar in the third. This saves us hunting as much for the food as we know what container to grab from at least. Currently, it looks like there’s room for nectar and then everything else is together. I’d love to see that large section even split in two to help give some separation. Just a thought.
Raymond: The food would all just be in one section of the tray, which makes cleanup faster. You could always keep the clear plastic containers if you prefer to keep your food separate (they’ll fit in the bottom layer).
Love the box! I bought the additional speckled eggs – would this box fit both the original eggs plus the speckled eggs, or would I have to pick and choose which ones would go in there?
There’s definitely plenty of room for all the eggs. What you see in the photos are well over 100 eggs, and they’re just in one of the trays (there will be two such trays in the real box).
I am really hesitant about this box based on prototype 2. The main reason for this is that the bird card trays are essentially extraneous in this design, with the actual bird cards being housed in the middle section. I really don’t want to have to throw away those game trays if possible, and right now, unsleeved, we have 2 open sections of the European Expansion Game Trayz. Why make the birds fit in the top if the trays are going to be extraneous? I understand the desire to leave the bottom section open for future expansion components, but I’d rather see a middle level with space for the 2 bird trays stacked on top of each other, the insert in the middle (probably smaller) and then the dice tower and cards on the side. I have a suspicion this won’t hold most people’s custom inserts though.
I think that this design nearly guarantees that anyone who purchases this box is probably going to end up disposing of those gametrayz before the collection is complete. That’s fine if that’s the trade-off, but it makes me sad as I enjoy them and using them.
I like that along with “yes”, Reasonably priced was listed. I think it would be great to reward fans with a good price considering they will be filling it with hundreds of dollars worth of game and expansions. Thanks
Weird question, I got ride of the first plastic tray that holds cards, I just couldn’t tetris my box enough to keep it and I love the color purple so I kept the europeon plastic tray. With the bix box being able to hold three on the bottom I was wondering if there was a way to but just the plastic tray so the bottom is filled out better?
I appreciate you asking, Amanda, but we’re not set up to sell individual plastic trays.
Will the Big Box be available from Stonemaier Games’ site only, or will it be available on retail or other webshops as well? If the former is the case, is it necessary to subscribe to the newsletter in order to get it, or can I buy it without doing that? Anyway, I definitely want to buy it.
William: Anyone can buy from our webstore at any time (you can go check it out right now if you’d like). Due to the expensive nature of the big box (the high cost compared to the reasonable price we want to set for it), we’ll probably just be able to sell it on our webstore.
BTW you say no gameplay content, just an organizer/box.
So, do we get a cat with it?
If you adopt a cat from your local shelter, yes! :)
Just found this from your newsletter and I would definitely buy.
At the moment I built this: https://www.instructables.com/Wingspan-Board-Game-Organizer-and-Dice-Tower/
but it doesn’t fit sleeved cards.
I love the idea that it will fit all future expansions.
I like that it will accommodate sleeved cards.
The idea I read above with a deeper tray to fit all the cards is good.
We need somewhere to keep the cards while playing.
We wonder how easy it will be to lift the birdfeeder dicetower out of its compartment . . .
We’ll test that soon–great question!
Oh my goodness. Just clicked on the link from the last news letter. I must have missed this announcement previously. This is one of those “Do you really need to ask?” questions for me. But as you have asked…um…yes!
Count me in. Not sure you can answer or comment on this but it would be great if it coincided with another expansion release, shipping cost wise!! 😉
Thanks! Currently it doesn’t coincide with an expansion, but we’ll see if the schedules eventually align.
Apologies if this has already been asked, but would it be possible to make the plastic trays available for purchase separately when the big box becomes available? I no longer have my trays because I bought a custom insert that came with a tray replacement that holds more cards. I regret that decision a little now but I’m hoping you might consider including trays with the big box itself (like the tuck boxes in the Legendary Scythe box) or as something we can purchase separately (similar to extra scorepads or dice). I assume I’m not the only one who has replaced the plastic trays at some point.
Thanks for asking, Stephen! We plan to include 1 such tray in the big box, and it’s possible we’ll include another in a future expansion.
So, I currently am using a Broken Token insert. Are you stating it will fit in this box?
Yes! :)
This is a no brainer. I am a huge Wingspan fan and I need a one box solution.
This is exciting! My partner and I have been playing Wingspan almost every night since we first opened the box, and I have just bought the expansions so I have been thinking about organization.
I am surprised to see this being worked on this early in the game’s lifetime, given the number of future possible expansions. Do you intend to “future proof” this box for future expansions?
Yes, the modularity and size of the box is being designed to accommodate all 6 total expansions. We can’t 100% guarantee that everything will fit, but we’ll do our best.
Definitely “Nesting Box.” Looking forward to this…
A box like this suggests that we shouldn’t be expecting new player mats in upcoming expansions. If that’s the case, I would LOVE to see future expansions come in boxes that double as organizers for the main box or for the center tier of this box, as (if I read the description correctly) the middle tier appears to be the same size as the original box with a couple side compartments on it.
The inner box of the expansion would need to be the same length as the original box and a third the width, with those dimensions ever so slightly shrunk so that the box fits snugly inside the original box. The height would need to accommodate player folios and rulebooks probably too. Assuming no third party dice towers, food etc, this would mean you could use three expansion boxes to house all of your stuff, and stack cards more efficiently than you could in the plastic containers. I’m sure you also can see some production advantages to this method, more than any amount I could list.
What I like about this idea most, though, is that a lot of people buying Wingspan aren’t board game enthusiasts, and won’t be seeking out organizers and accessories. This gives them a makeshift option without making current organizers instantly obsolete.
Any idea when this will be available to order?
Nope! We haven’t even received the second prototype yet.
If I do not have a cat of my own to supervise box packing, will I still be able to use this?
Do you have a friend’s cat you could use instead?
I love this! One quick question (if it hasn’t been asked yet). If we recycled one of the plastic card holders/trays will we be able to get 2 trays somehow with the big box instead of just one? Thank you! :)
Nick: We’re probably looking at just 1 tray included in the box, as 2 would create redundancy for the vast majority of people, and we don’t want people throwing away (or even recycling) redundant plastic.
Understood. Is there a way to get once by itself?
That makes sense, do you know if you will make the trays available to purchase on their own for those of us who didn’t know we would need both of them for the big box?
Currently we don’t sell them ala carte, but if we view that as a big need after creating the big box, we’ll consider it. Shipping the tray by itself isn’t environmentally friendly, though.
Perhaps an option to add them on to big box orders only? I find myself in the same situation as Nick.
The rustic aesthetic of the bird feeder and food tokens are just delightful. I’m hoping for less plastic in future expansions, and that includes the big box! Another thought would be to swap out those plastic containers for something cooler looking, durable, and indicative of their purpose. An egg container that looks like a nest? Separate food stations that look like little piles of cherries, wheat, etc? Just some ideas, thanks!!
@jamey will you be able to make a new rule book/ appendix of the rules as they stand at the time when the big box is released? Currently every new rule book has been a different size/shape and with the addition of new cards and and rules it would be good to have 1 book that combines base/euro and Aus together in a tight package with possiblely the faq in the back
At some point, yes, but not for the big box, which will not contain gameplay or language dependent components.
I fully plan on purchasing this when it come out. My only request is that the lid fits as perfectly as the original box does. It is not hard to open, but still fits snuggly. It is deeply satisfying to place the lid on and watch it slowly settle perfectly onto the box!
Please consider Fantasy Flight sleeve dimensions in your design if you can. They’re known to be slightly taller and wider than standard sleeves by a mm or two. A bit thicker as well.
Sounds good!
I am excited and quite eager for this!! “Big Flockin’ Box”
Why not call it the Wingspan Volary/Volery?
We could, but I’m not sure that people are familiar with that word (or how to spell it). I’ve never heard it. :)
am currently looking at tackle boxes and tool boxes as a means to store all my Wingspan (all 3 expansions) + meeplesource components. Would love this option instead. One important feature for me is that there is enough separate storage for all the meeples. I currently have 16 sets and haven’t bought the European set yet.
I actually love having the 3 separate boxes (base game and expansions). I use the EU box for all me cards, the oceana for all the player boards, and the base for everything else. Keeps it well organized, and the art work on the boxes is fantastic! Not sure I would want to replace that set up with a big box…
Excellent news. We are loving wingspan and are planning to get the European expansion would be great to have the option of purchasing the expansions in the new size box.
Thanks Yolanda! That will definitely not be an option–we’re making a single product (the Wingspan Big Box), and it won’t include any gameplay content. We should have the European Expansion back in stock soon, and it will always (and only) available separately.
This seems amazing and I would love to purchase it. My only issue is (and I’m not sure if anyone else has said this already) is that I no longer have the EE bird tray as I couldn’t fit it in the base game box, and all of the cards could fit into one tray at that time. Is there any way to get a replacement one with this big box?
Thanks for sharing that concern. I’m not sure yet. I’m leaning towards including 1 in the box and assuming that people have another (from the core game at least), and maybe we’ll include another in a future expansion? We’ll see. I do know that we won’t be selling the plastic trays ala carte, though.
I would love to have another tray, because the two current trays are stuffed to the brim with sleeved cards. 😊
But! If each expansion will contain ~90 cards, and there are three to four expansions left with the possibility of promos, then there needs to be at least two more trays. And those two trays should probably come from the expansions, not the big box, because if someone doesn’t care about buying the big box they’ll be one tray short.
Just a though!
Right, the trays aren’t the sole place for the cards–there will be plenty of slots in the middle layer for cards too. :)
Hi Jamey. Will there be room for some of the Meeplesource bird meeples in there too?
We are indeed leaving room for a variety of third-party accessories. :)
This looks great. Thank you especially for considering that people pay (sometimes huge amounts) for third party accessories and so generously allowing those investments to fit in this box. I haven’t bought an organiser for wingspan yet, but have hated discarding ones for other games when big boxes come out.
I’m not discarding my Meeplesource tokens for anyone.
Thank you also for ensuring the box will fit in a kallax.
The care, generosity and attention to detail that you give is exceptional, and the reason I am a Stonemaier champion.
Hey Jamey! ,
My basegame box was just demolished by my cat, so I currently have no box to store my boards and components. Do you guys have a date in mind for the release of this box? Im in need of storage ASAP, haha. I also do have both expansions! Love all three of them!
We’re still at the prototype stage, so it’ll be at the end of 2021 at best. Hang in there! :)
Haha, thanks Jamey!
Lots of great comments here already. Like many others, I have base game and both EE and OE. I also have Meeple source bird tokens, food & nectar tokens. I have the broken token organizer, and everything fits in the base game box (except I have the base game player mats stored in the OE box with the base game dice, and both plastic bird trays stored in the EE box as they are not needed with the broken token organizer and with playing with the new OE mats).
My cards are sleeved with Swan Panasia 57x90mm sleeves. And, while they do not all fit currently in the broken token bird card tray, there is only one small extra stack that fits into one of the other modular trays they provide (one of the trays meant for bird Meeples that I didn’t glue the divider in). I used another of of those same modular trays for the nectar tokens (I only have 6 different Meeple source bird tokens, so I only needed three trays to fit all of them).
I also have the Meeple source double-sided scoring mat (which is amazing btw – the artwork was done by the same designers that did the all of the original artwork). Anyway, with this set up, it all fits in the base game box, with the lid just slightly raised. (So with the next expansion, I will definitely need the big box to get it all to fit).
It’s great to hear that you are thinking of third-party products when designing the big box. Ideally, broken token will make modular expansions to fit into your new big box while maintaining what they have already created to fit in the base game box (they’ve done this for other games).
My advice for you – and for broken token, it to make a deeper bird card tray that holds all the birds (current and future). So, my suggestion for you is to NOT include a third plastic bird card tray with the big box. Many won’t use it with the third party expansions we already have (as mentioned above, both plastic trays are stored away in my EE box and don’t get used). If you are considering including a plastic bird card tray, instead of making it the same size as the other two, just make it DEEPER, and allow it use to lid from one of the other two plastic trays.
I realize this would cause a vertical storage problem with your three layer system that you have prototyped, but I think I would be way more useful. Perhaps have the deep bird card tray fit on one side of the big box, and traverse the bottom and second layers. Then the second layer fits next to it so that it is not the same length x width of the big box itself, but nests in to one side. Just an idea.
Either way, with whatever you come out with, I’ll likely get it and make it work when the next expansion is released. Cheers!
This is awesome feedback, Stephen! Thank you for taking the time to write this, and I’ll keep it under consideration.
lot of really good info here for those of us curious abt better ways to protect and organize but a little overwhelmed by all the options out there. thanks for sharing, stephen
Will buy as long as it will be able to fit my sleeves cards. Thank you for considering this.
Definitely! “We’re going to increase the height of this layer and add more dividers to hold sleeved cards vertically”
Just a quick question, I’ve been reading through all the comments on this post and it sounds like we are getting to point where the expansions will, in my opinion, be released as decks of cards without additional trays/mats/tokens… knowing that nothing is set in stone, is this accurate? Excited to put the big box on the shelf next to the Scythe big box. Thank you!
Thanks for asking! That is not accurate. We don’t know what will be in future expansions.
Absolutely adore Wingspan, both as an avid birder and ecologist. A question Jamey, if I may … might there be opportunity to weave conservation management challenges and actions into a future expansion? I can see how one might integrate threats such as logging, pollution and feral predators to impact in some way on cavity nesters, shorebirds and ground nesters respectively as an example.
Regardless, I look forward to to seeing where the game goes next.
Gary: Thanks for your idea! Wingspan takes place in a safe habitat for birds, so having outside threats like logging, pollution, and predators probably won’t happen in the game. :)
Will this have EU/UK friendly shipping?
Yes, everything we ship is sent from fulfillment centers in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia.
So no EU friendly shipping. (Brexit)
So…yes EU friendly shipping, as per the information easily accessible on our website here: https://stonemaiergames.com/shop/eu-brexit/
I would also be interested in a better bird card holder than the current plastic one 😁
Do you know if the Broken Token will be making an organizer for this box? Or it it exclusively Stonemaier? I guess I should have waited before investing in the BT organizer for the base game/European expansion
I don’t know–they’re a separate company. What I do know (as noted above) is that we’re designing the box to have enough space and modularity to accommodate a variety of third-party inserts and accessories.
Hi, I would love to get a big box for all my wingspan stuff, but unfortunately I live in Europe. Are there any plans in publishing the box with your partners like Feuerland?
Melissa: We ship from fulfillment centers worldwide, so it’s not unfortunate at all that you live in Europe. :)
Excited about this and the future expansions. Thanks Jamey!
Noticed something else. The picture shows only one neoprene playmat in the tray with looks like just two cardboard playmat? Wondering if 5 neoprene and 5 cardboard would fit in the tray together? or it will be either?
As noted directly above the photo, the top layer fits 5 neoprene mats and two stacks of 5 player mats.
The neoprene playmats are a replacement for the cardboard mats. Why should I keep both in the box? It just makes the big box unnecessarily big and heavy.
For people who have the first gen neoprene mats it would be reasonable to keep the Oceania-boards. But why on earth should anybody store 15 playerboards in the box?
You are certainly under no obligation to keep the cardboard mats if you don’t want them.
“ This area is big enough that if you already have a custom insert, you can use it instead of the one we provide.”
Does this imply that the middle section if the middle layer has the same dimensions as the original box? Would be amazing if my broken token insert fit snugly in that area!
Not exactly, but I’ve heard that that Broken Token insert is actually somewhat modular–we’ve left a space that we think is big enough for the biggest of its modular components (though I don’t know for sure, as I don’t own that insert). What are the dimensions of the biggest part of it?
the dice tower is the the tallest. It sits around 67mm up from the bottom of the box. The card tray is the longest, full length of the box approx 283mm. Happy to send some pics/vid of how its all laid out if needed
Thanks Garrett! What are the other dimensions for the card tray?
283mm x 99mm x 51mm. The 51mm is how tall it is
Awesome! The big space in the box is 288x232x95mm.
Awesome, thanks!
Probably makes sense to get a copy of the BT insert to try it out before actually making the design final. Sort of like extra eyes proofreading ;)
We’re not here to endorse or guarantee that any specific third-party accessory or insert will fit in this box–those are completely independent companies/products from Stonemaier. What we can do is offer a big, modular space in the bottom and middle layers of the box with plenty of room for at least some third-party components.
Nice! I like the box ideas so far. My suggestions are about the cover box:
1 – maybe you should put up some “rate your birds” contest to see which birds are the most popular. Then you cram in as many of the most popular ones as you can in the cover art. I would love to see a cover with a multitude of birds, specially if they are in a natural setting. The covers for the base game, EE, and OE show only one bird each, that does not represent one of the main features of the game (a huge number of different birds).
2 – if possible, Elizabeth’s name should be really emphasize. I cannot express the satisfaction I have to know I am playing a game designed by someone who is a specialist in the theme, and also by a severely underrepresented demographic (female designers)
3 – finally, what it a box is not just a box? I love games that use the box as a component (niagara and dice forge come to my mind). What if the inside of the box cover you have some art that integrates with the game table? Maybe if you stand it on its side you can accommodate the tower and or the tray with a nice background behind.
Thanks Alberto! I absolutely agree with shining the spotlight and the amazing artists of Wingspan, all of whom are women. That’s the case with every Wingspan box.
I could definitely like to use the inside of the box lid for something; I’m not sure what yet. Probably something language independent–perhaps the guide for putting everything in the box?
Oh, that’s something very good. I like that on the regular Scythe Box (it helps me a lot to store everything back in the box). But don’t forget to make a nice art to the guide, the Scythe one is a bit too cold and abstract for such a beautiful game (as is the case with Wingspan)
I respectfully disagree with Alberto. I prefer not having a ton of birds crammed onto the cover. I think it’s more beautiful to have a smaller number of birds emphasized–kinda like the art for each version of Wingspan so far. I really like how each face of the box has one bird on it instead of a bunch.
The perfect illustration (pun intended) of my argument is the cover art for Trekking the World (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/300442/trekking-world/images). The reason I bought the game was for the gorgeous artwork, but you would never know that if you looked at the cover art. Underdog Games chose to cram everything on the cover (pyramids, Eiffel Tower, Sagrada Familia, the Parthenon, the Red Square, and more) and it’s so busy that nothing stands out.
In my Kallax, I like to choose one game to face out, so that I can admire it’s art. I never choose Trekking the World, which is crazy because the in-game art is perhaps the best of any game I own.
I love Alberto’s idea to let users vote on box art birds. As the publisher, it’s your choice of course, but maybe users could rate them and then you choose to include a couple of the top birds. Maybe?
Thanks, Jamey!
I agree about keeping it simple–after all, that’s representative of the original Wingspan box. If we end up waffling between a few specific birds for one side of the box, we’ll turn to fans to see what they think. :)
Once the box is loaded with all the expected Stonemeier content, how much will the box weigh? What are the dimensions of the box?
Thanks Karen! I have no idea what the weight will be, and I’ll let you know the final dimensions when that aspect of the box has been defined. Currently we’re just updating the first prototype.
Looking great! Autobuy for me. Please forgive me asking: can the iconic scissor tailed tyrant be on the cover?
Maybe! We haven’t decided which birds will go on the big box yet. :)
Would it be possible to let the players choose? Possibly pare down to a top five from each artist and let us vote on it. If you figure the top couple of birds from each artist get used then nobody is over represented.
That is possible, yes. Though the problem with voting on something like that is that you pretty much guarantee that everyone is unhappy about something, as few people will have all of their birds selected. So it’s probably something we’ll handle internally. I will continue to gather feedback about the composition of the box, though.
Keep the results internal. No matter which birds are displayed on the box someone will be unhappy. I guess you could always just draw a couple of hand turkeys on the cover. Of course how can you possibly be unhappy with any of the illustrations done by the talented artists.
Is there a way to utilize the expansion boxes into the big box? The one thing I hated with scythe (I have every piece ever made to it) was that the expansion boxes didn’t fit in the legendary box. We had three someone lame tuck boxes instead of using the boxes with the beautiful artwork. I’ve kept those boxes even though there’s nothing stored in them because they literally are too good to throw away.
The big boxes are designed to replace the original boxes, not contain them.
This couldn’t come soon enough :)
I would like to vote “Yes, even if it’s NOT reasonably priced” :D
I bought the Oceania expansion recently and managed to fit everything into the original wingspan box except for the dicetower which was sad but understandable. My next step was to look online for either an organizer (Etsy was more than helpful) or a big box to store it all. Lo and behold to my amazement that one was already in the works! I can’t express how excited I am that I can get a big box to fit current AND future expansions. I’m ready to jump in on this as soon as its out!
https://www.reddit.com/r/wingspan/comments/m7gki7/thought_id_share_my_storage_solution_for_wingspan/
I’m SUPER stoked to see this is going to be a thing. I’m one of those people that I prefer to keep everything in one box. Because I’ve upgraded basically everything in my box with MeepleSource stuff it already barely fits with just the European expansion. I’ve been holding off on Oceania until something like this was announced. Definitely going to be picking this up.
I voted no, but that’s only because I’ve already customized my game so much that all the additional tokens, cups and such wouldn’t fit anyways. If I hadn’t, I’d also get one.
Do you think there might be a chance to get the new more complicated gameboards from Oceania, but with the original pictures? I love the bright sunny day from the original, and the brown, brown and… ugh… more brown of the Oceania boards is a really big downer.
Would also like to know if other expansions will have a use for nectar tokens, or was it just a one-off thing that’ll never be seen again? I really liked the European birds expansion, but the Oceania one felt more like it was supposed to be a standalone with how badly it works with the original and Europe.
Thanks for your feedback! I’m sorry you don’t like Beth’s Oceania player mat art, but we don’t offer another option for it. There may be a few cards in other expansions that use nectar, but no expansion will depend on another, and all are designed to work well with any combination of expansions.
Eh, it’s not a big deal about the player mats, I’ll just print out some stickers for the original and if I want to play without nectar, I can use the neoprene mats. I didn’t mean that the playmat was bad or ugly as such, it just isn’t for me because of preferring the more vivid aesthetic!
This would be excellent!
Please include some useful inserts (as you already mentioned you were planning to). I’ve been wary of the Scythe Big Box because I feel like I have to buy a 3rd party wooden organizer along with the box and it add up.
Especially those inserts that come out and onto the table & some way to gather all the cards into a deck.
The bigbox will be a wonderful solution!
But I think of will be better when the layers have no inserts. Because I have A lot of upgrades. And when they are for classified, I don’t know if everything fits. But the idea of a big box is just what we needed!
First off, this looks great! I’ve wanted a big box so much, i’ve been considering making my own. This will be better!
Second, for the card holding section, are yall factoring in plastic sleeves? I know many people sleeve there cards.
Yep! Sleeves are mentioned multiple times in the descriptions above. :)
Looks great I’ve been hoping for a big box for a while.
I know you’ve mentioned this not coming with any game content but I’d love to eventually see a set of bonus cards rewarding points for birds of each continent.
I will definitely buy it Jamey. I bought the big box for scythe( with all promos and expansions, boards and metal mechs, custom storage ect the lid barely fits. Lifts up a bit actually). I noticed I am constantly afraid of bending the box getting the layers out. The handles in this prototype are an excellent idea! please include those.
Any chance there will be some token content included? It looks awesome but there’s just something about spending money for an empty box seems wrong. Maybe the Arctic expansion which is probably only 2 cards anyway! :) IDK maybe that hangup is an albatross that only I struggle with. But given that, an albatross would be a good promo card to include too ;)
I agree, but this isn’t an empty box. It includes 2 custom cardboard layers and 4 custom plastic trays. It won’t include any gameplay content.
I agree. Put a penguin or whatever else lives down in Antarctica in the box. Even if it costs a buck or two more.
It’s not about cost. We’re making one expansion per continent, and Antarctica is a continent, so it will get a full expansion someday. There are quite a few types of penguins (and even some other birds) in Antarctica, as it turns out–tossing a few cards in the big box would hardly do it justice.
Ooo… an idea! What about some extinct birds, like the passenger pigeon, dodo, or the giant Moa? Or even artistic recreations of prehistoric bird ancestors, like the Archaeopteryx? Novelty content that could be fun to play with as a laugh, without breaking up the seven continent plan. (Not that you guys don’t have enough to do already—just a fun thought to share.)
That’s actually a hella cool idea!
I dont think that this will be a good idea. I mean, I think I would probably buy that box and would be happy to get “free additional” stuff for sure.
But a.) I am not sure if there are plans to produce the BigBox in other languages… and with a “neutral” box it would be easier or cost efficient to produce such boxes (maybe – not an expert in the slightest).
and b.) I think that there would be some sort of backlash because I am pretty sure, there would be a lot of people who dont want the big box but will complain that “this box is the only way to get those 2 cards” …
I really like the idea of a big box, but there is one thing that bothers me with this.
You made so good card holders, that organize the bird cards and the bonus cards. Why do not use them? Using them (for the birds and bonus cards) and only having other organising methods for the automa cards would spare a lot of space and decrease all costs (for buyers and you as well).
Oh, and also, why not decrease the top layer? Either neopreme, old mats or new mats, but nobody uses more than two of these, collectors can use the base or oceania boxes to store their unused mats.
Richard: Yes, that’s exactly what we’re doing with the card holders–the bottom layer is designed for people to store those card holders with cards in them.
The top layer is exactly the height it needs to be to fit 5 neoprene mats (it’s a 5-player game) and two stacks of 5 folded cardboard player mats.
So far, I like what I see. The only thing bothers me is those black handles on each tray. I am not sure about those. As you can see the last picture where all trays are in the big box. You can see the handle sticking out (middle tray), causing the top tray not to sit on flat, sticking out the big big a bit. I can see that could be a hassle to handle. Perhaps maybe go back on the drawing board and redo those handles thing? Something we don’t have to move/push the handles each time we stack up the trays into the box.
The handles work great in the prototype!
So those black handles are fantastic in games with big boxes. For example, Thunderstone quest boxes are huge and dual layered. They host the cards in the bottom, and then the tiles, tokens, etc. in the top. The handles make it easy to lift without the problem of tearing the sides of the boxes and no need to fear of the vacuum suction with multiple layers.
I love my big box for Scythe. It looks epic on the shelf. I can’t wait for the Wingspan big box–I know its artwork will be just as glorious. Right now, I’ve got the Oceania and European expansions fitting in the original box (it is a very tight fit), but I will still buy the big box.
I don’t know if it’s possible, but my only request would be some type of tray that makes it easy to store and set up the food and eggs. Right now, it takes me longer than I’d like to set up the game because each component is in its own little baggie (so there are ~15 baggies).
Is there any chance for a GameTrayz solution? I know that would increase the price. I’m just curious. If not, is there a 3rd party storage solution that you recommend, Jamey?
Thanks! So excited.
Definitely! We’re going to make two trays for the middle section that provide quick and easy setup. :)
Though I should clarify that eggs will definitely be mixed together (no need to separate by color), and food probably will too.
Love this idea! Wingspan is probably the only game I own where I’d even consider getting a Big Box to consolidate things—I love not just the gameplay, but the art and design work.
That said (and sorry if you’ve gone into this elsewhere)—at the moment, I have “almost” everything (base game, European, Oceania) stored in the original base game box, with the Oceania box storing the alternate play mats and Automata components.
To make the Big Box worth it, I’m wondering what other expansions are in the works? If this is a game that’s going to get ongoing support with another two, three… heck, maybe even four?!?… more expansions, then having something larger to house it all makes a ton of sense. But if it’s going to start winding down, maybe not? (I’m also not someone who tends to buy 3rd party components, though it sounds like Wingspan’s gotten a lot of love in that regard.)
They plan to make an expansion for each Continent if I remember correctly.
Thanks Matthew! Mark is right that we’re planning 4 more expansions (one per remaining continent), and we intend for the big box to hold all of that content.
Wait–you’re making an expansion for Antarctica?? I know there are penguins down there, but I didn’t realize there were enough other species there to make a Antarctic version. Whoa….
I would love it if it included a single tray solution that held all of the cards sleeved.
Will the big box be available in Europa?
Yes, all of our products are available worldwide from our fulfillment centers in the US, UK, Australia, and Canada.
Jamey, are you considering a new fullfilmentcenter for Europe now the UK is n’t part of the EU anymore? Europeans must now double pay taxes.
We definitely keep all Europeans in mind when we think about shipping. Either way, though, VAT must be paid on all goods that enter the EU.
Did I understand things right, that 450 Cards are stored in the Card Trays at the bottom layer and the rest of the cards are stored vertically in the middle layer?
Wouldn’t it be “cleaner” to store all cards the same way vertically? Or what were your thoughts about what to store in the trays and what to store in the middle layer?
Another thought: Portal Games just released the Storage Box for Imperial Settlers. In that Box you store cards vertical, too. On the insert are small indicators so you can sort everything up by expansions. Probably I’m one from less who sorts the cards after each game but I think this change would be easy to implement and those who don’t sort could easily ignore it.
I’m pretty excited about this Box!
Andy: We need a decent amount of space in the middle section for the birdfeeder and trays for easy setup (food, player tokens, dice, eggs, scorepads, and other tokens).
I understand. The cards on the bottom layer could also be stored vertically instead of in the trays, couldn’t they? Or is it too bad about the trays because the had to be thrown away?
What do you say about my other idea with the little indicators?
Here you can see what I meant: https://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/5914512/imperial-settlers-storage-box-plus
Those indicators are really neat! I like that they’re printed on the insert itself.
And yes, I’d prefer not to waste the plastic card containers.
Hey Jamey, I just want to second the indicators idea. My insert for Dead of Winter has indicators for the cards and it really makes set-up and clean-up organized and smooth. Also, any thought to including additional gameplay items with the big box?
Thanks George! We definitely will not include any gameplay components in the big box, as we don’t want anyone to feel like they need to buy the box if they’re happy with their organizational needs (and it won’t be releasing at the same time as any other Wingspan expansions). Indicators/dividers aren’t a gameplay component, so we may consider that.
One of the problem with “big boxes” is that they are often, well, very big. The issue with this is taking them to game night. Most people only have so much space in their bags and so many hands to carry them. So really big games are taking up space that could be used for other games, adding variety to the options available. As a result, this often means that the game only gets carried very occasionally.
As an example, I’ll cite Snowdonia – the new big box is gorgeous, but huge (and with some empty space). It is at least twice the size of the old box, so, whereas we would frequently take it to game nights, the new version is yet to get an outing. As well as the new version, we also have the original with the upgrade pieces and it all fits in the original box. As a result, it is likely we will sell the new version in time and stick with the more portable solution.
My concern is that this may fall foul of the same problem…
That’s a great point about how the size of the box can make a game much harder to get to the table if game night isn’t as your house. Though, could the same be said for a game that requires you to carry the originally box and 4+ expansion boxes? :)
That is true, but there are two points here: Big boxes often (not always, but often) take up more space than required. It is highly unlikely we’d really need four boxes for four expansions: we currently have our copy of Wingspan in two boxes for example, with plenty of space to spare. This is especially true if the box is designed for sleeved cards as these take up much more space than cards without their Wellies on.
Secondly, for this game in particular, it is highly unlikely that you would need all the (450+?) cards on one game night. Therefore, a “playing box” and an “extras” box might be a better solution for some than one big box. With this in mind, modules that you could easily remove from the big box and place in the pre-existing base game and expansion boxes *might* be a solution for some people.
Here is something we put together about this problem some while back:
http://boardgoats.org/2020/06/04/boardgames-in-the-news-the-peril-of-box-inflation/
I like the idea of a “playing box”! Perhaps if you get the big box, you could keep the original box as your playing box?
Certainly. This was the route we would have gone down without the big box. As a result, we would have to consider whether a “Wingspan Sanctuary” would be right for us, or whether the base game box with a couple of expansion boxes (one to carry maybe and others for storage say) would be a better solution for us.
That said, a box that contains other boxes that you take out and carry (or put into the original boxes) might be the solution that would suit us best. You do whatever you think will sell best of course, we’re just trying to share another perspective. :)
I think that would be great for some games. The challenge with Wingspan is that even in the original game box, it’s a tight fit due to the number of cards, the player mats, the number of egg and food tokens, and the birdfeeder dice tower.
Yes, though if you are travelling with a game, a tight fit is a good thing, both from the point of view of economy of space, but also because it prevents things rattling about too much. I’ve always loved the way everything fits lovely and snuggly in the Viticulture EE box, and I worry what will happen when proposed upcoming expansion arrives. #FirstWorldProblems :D
Fwiw, I have no trouble fitting Wingspan + European in the original box. It’s Oceana that made it so there’s too much. There are solutions on Etsy that fit all three into the original box though! Albeit, they probably won’t fit future expansions, but since they’re available now… but I’ll wait a bit to see what you come up with! Still, if it’s huge, I’ll probably go with the Etsy solutions.
will there be the option to bundle the big/legendary box with all expansions at a discount for those who only have the base game and were waiting on the big box before expansions?
No, they’re completely different products that will be produced, assembled, and sold separately.
I guess it’ll cost pretty much like Scythe’s Legendary Box.
Anyway, nice news and I hope its release soon :) .
Glad to see the big box is coming! Is there any status on when the double sided neoprene mats will be available?
Very very soon! :)
Jamey,
I’m going to be honest with you. I love Wingspan, but I know the kind of person I am and as such I will not purchase the game and its expansions until there is something like this big box to house it all. This by no means is a criticism of you, the designer, or the publisher as a whole. I honestly think this is a fantastic problem to have. That said I have great interest then in this big box being the best it can be.
That said, we need to first ask ourselves what is the intent or purpose of a big box, not just for Wingspan but any game in general? Well it should be to hold all officially available content and possibly any widely popular 3rd party upgrades. So in the case of Wingspan it should be able to hold all the cards, the food tokens, eggs, player boards, neoprene mats, rulebook(s), etc. What you have shown off so far is a great start but I do have a few suggestions of my own.
So let’s start with the outside of the box. It should have beautiful artwork all the way around, and I have no doubts that it will. The build quality should be quite solid as well. By that I mean, consider this. I own a game called Unfair (great game, BTW), and in that game is a LOT of cards, all of which I’ve sleeved. The box the base game comes in is by no means a bad or low quality box but I do have some concern that if the box were any bigger and able to hold more cards that without enhancing the thickness or strength of the box that it might break the first time you pick up. Again the box is fine as is but you can kind of tell if it were made to be any bigger, some other changes beyond size would need to be made as well.
My point is that a fully loaded copy of Wingspan might eventually carry with it a lot of weight. 800+ cards all sleeved with premium sleeves, plus everything else would / could add a lot of weight. With that in mind you would want the big box to carry with it a level of thickness / strength you can rest easy in. I wouldn’t want to go pick up my box on my way to game night only to have the bottom fall out from under me.
One other note to add to the outside of the box is you really want it to have a premium look / feel to it. I own the deluxe editions of Iwari and Tang Garden as well as the collector’s box for Raiders of the North Sea and those all have a nice, premium feel to them.
Moving to the inside, we come to the first layer. You’ve demonstrated that this layer is designed to hold neoprene mats and the player boards. You’ve demonstrated that it could comfortably fit 5 mats and all 10 of the currently available player boards (double stacked side by side). This would be fine, if this was all you had available. Reality is that you actually have or rather will have 10 mats available. You have the 5 for the base game and are working on 5 for the Oceania expansion. If this first layer doesn’t include room for all of this then you are already creating a pain point for would be purchasers of all the mats. Which set of mats do the include? That or do they include all the mats but then none of the player boards? Players / owners shouldn’t have to make a choice like this unless you can easily and objectively make it for them.
Continuing on with the 1st layer, I welcome the idea that others have mentioned about using some kind of a ribbon you could pull on to easily help you remove the mats / player boards. That said they idea of a finger hole you could use could work just as well. I’m not trying to advocate for one solution over the other but I would suggest considering which option provides a cleaner, better, more elegant look.
I’m not trying to suggest that this box should ultimately dipped in gold and lined with velvet. That would be crazy but if the difference in cost between one solution and a more elegant solution is negligible then I would opt for the more premium solution.
Moving beyond the 1st layer, we arrive at the second layer. Right off the bat we see a big, empty space in the middle. I could imagine great things for the space, and you do to but because you had nothing to show us for this part it felt like most of the time the best use you had for it was to go with whatever we could come up with. What if we haven’t come up with anything though? This point is so much a criticism of, “Oh, how dare you not show us more” but rather a comment noting anxious anticipation of what you might come up with for this space. All things considered I’d love something that could hold all the eggs / food that could be easily removed and placed in the center of the table ready for play.
Whatever you come up with in this regard should account for third party upgrades on some level. I admit you couldn’t possibly account for everything that anyone is going to make ever, period. However you know what major players like Meeplesource or BGG with Geek Bits are doing. So at the very least account for these major players or better yet do a poll. Find out what upgrades if any people gravitate towards most, and account for those.
As for the rest of the space on this layer, it only makes sense to have space for the bird feeder, automa cards, end round goal tokens, etc. What would make as much sense to me is have some bird cards on part of one level and the rest on another level. I say this with the following consideration. If the bird cards are not all on the same layer or split across two layers exclusively (as in not sharing space with other stuff) you then force the owner to have to remember which bird cards are on which layer. Dividers or something similar can help with this to some degree but is by no means a perfect solution. Just as a for instance, let’s say you could fit 700 cards on the bottom layer but the last 100 had to go on the 2nd layer, how then would you decide which cards are those 100 cards?
Quick sidebar, I want to echo the idea of theming each of the layers after the different habitats.
Getting to the bottom layer of the current design, I am of the opinion as largely mentioned already, that all the bird cards should fit one to two layers by themselves. Unfortunately there is no easy way to go about this. As many have already done the rough math we’ve established that if you sleeve you cards then there is no way those sleeved cards could fit in 3 of the plastic trays you’ve designed for the game. So with that in mind, you could either abandon the idea of reusing those plastic trays or you could just simply include more of them. I suspect another layer with another 3 of these trays could do the trick, perhaps.
If you wanted to abandon these trays then your guess would be as good as mine as to what the best solution would be. I think whatever solution you do come up with you should consider not only its form, but its function. Consider this, what if you could offer some kind of solution that would allow you to bring out ALL the bird cards either as some cobbled together giant tower of awesomeness or several smaller stacks but still sizable in their own right. Either, just some food for thought on that one.
Lastly, I have one final point, and it involves the recent reprint / update for Fireball Island. At the time, when Restoration Games did the KS campaign for Fireball Island it felt very once and done. By that, I mean everything they could’ve wanted to do with the game, they did so during that campaign. Of course we found out there were some things they didn’t do. Most notably was include a decent box. No offense but the boxes that the Fireball Island game and expansions came in were not of the best quality. So insert manufacturers like the Broken Token rushed on getting a solution out there. The Broken Token, specifically, created a big, wooden box designed to hold everything that was available at the time. Key part here being, “available at the time.” This is the part where Wingspan draws near identical parallels. How can you possibly account for the future? You can’t. You have no idea what brilliant ideas Elisabeth Hargrave will come up with next. We can’t be sure what components the next expansion might include. The folks at the Broken Token couldn’t be sure of this either. They may have known more Fireball Island stuff was on the way (and it was) but they certainly didn’t have exact details when they were designing their big, wooden crate. They did come up with a brilliant solution though. They created an extension that would fit between the bottom box and lid, effectively make the box overall taller. This gave the box enough room to account for the expansion that came out after everything else.
I couldn’t begin to process the logistics of what this might look like in the case of Wingspan but it is something to keep in the back of your mind. It might be the thing that allows you to put out a box ASAP but give enough flexibility to be able to account for whatever the future holds.
Well that’s all I have for now. I think I’ve covered what I wanted to cover that wasn’t already mentioned by others. If you’ve made it this far, then, truly, thank you for taking the time to read what I had to say. :)
Cole: Lots of great input here–thank you! The box will be (and already is) very sturdy–it’s more than 4mm thick in some places. :)
The purpose of the open space is noted in the notes on the page above (several inserts that haven’t been made yet will go there, and if someone already has a custom insert, they can put it there).
I am glad to hear that it will be big enough for custom inserts! I just bought the go7gaming insert for wingspan before I was aware of this big box. Everything aside from the extra played mats for in the box now, so I am excited but this big box!
A note about the statement that 10 neoprene mats will be need to fit in the box. The new oceania neoprene mats I believe will be double-sided, so that may be a non-issue.
The new mats are indeed double-sided, so the box only needs to fit 5 neoprene mats.
Will the box be Ikea Kallax friendly?
It is! :)
Hi Jamey,
love this idea, especially the neoprene mats to make tucking cards easier. I’d love to see some Stonemaier produced (or at least verified) upgraded components so that we know for sure we can invest in particular upgrades and put them in the box.
Is the box being designed for components to be stored in trays (eg I’d love to stop storing my action cubes and dice in baggies).
You’re probably already taking this into account but a handy place to store the scorepads and a pencil to fill them in would be great. (I hate searching around for a pen or pencil if I have to fill out a scorepad, and like to keep them in the box).
Thanks :D
Liam: Thanks! Indeed, the trays (which aren’t ready yet) are being designed to hold component with a lid for easy setup–no bags required. I’m looking into storing the scorepads in the lids themselves, though I hadn’t thought about a place for a pencil–I’ll look into that.
Thanks for creating this — I’m super excited about this box, and it is an insta-buy for me! But I did have a few concerns and questions. The main one is about upgrades. Quite a few of us have heavily invested in the Meeplesource food, nectar, and bird tokens, and these upgrades really elevate game play for us! As amazing as this big box is, I fear there may not be enough space for these upgrades. Could another short layer as deep as the one that holds the mats be added to hold birds? It also seems like this box may not be big enough for the cards from future expansions. I’d much rather this box be a bit bigger than what I need right now and know that I have room for future content and not wish the box was a bit bigger down the road. Is there a dedicated place for rules and scoresheets and I missed that?
Renee: We’re designing the trays (not seen in these photos, as they’re not ready yet) to hold larger third-party accessories, not just the tokens that come with the game. And we’re designing it to hold all future content, including up to 800+ total cards.
That’s awesome. Wingspan is one of my favorite games. Can’t wait for the future!
So with 95 bird cards in oceania, 81 in the european expansion and 170 in the original; with space for 450 sleeved cards in the bottom level boxes, does this mean we only 104 bird cards total in future expansions? I love the box construction and idea. It looks top quality. the suggestion about adding ribbons to lift out section contents is very good (like iron clays does). Is there a way to add another level to the box later in case you or Elizabeth have a new idea?
No, there will be many more cards than that, with many of them stored in the middle section. I’d like to make the middle section big and versatile enough to cover components from future expansions (without adding another layer).
Do you mean a 4th layer which could be inserted between layers later (which increases the height) in case some ‘unforeseen’ components will be added by Elizabeth. I think that would be a great back up plan :)
I left my feedback last night on the facebook group livestream chat. I don’t want to repeat myself here but I do want to say, that I feel it’s great that for this product you’re getting feedback from the community to ensure it meets as many people’s needs as possible.
Hi! The cat will be in the box, too ? ;)
If you have a cat, the cat will most certainly be in the box!
Hi Jamey! I just watched the video on the big box and I was wondering a few things:
– If all the birds of the other contents will be played on the two variants of player boards, how will that work? For example the birds in Antarctica and Africa? Or are there some plans for extensions of the player boards? For example a snow/ice landscape board extension which could be placed below the Wetlands and a Jungle landscape board extension which could be placed above the Woodlands? I’m not sure how this will work in terms of balancing the locations where birds could be placed, but I’ll leave that to the professionals haha!
– Will there be any expansions that are not continent related, for example a ‘Bird of Prey’ expansion or a ‘Small Bird’ expansion that includes birds that are not included in one of the seven expansions?
– For the cards, may be you could consider stacking the 3 trays on top of each other so that they are somewhat the height of the 2 layers combined and then make two separate layers next to this. May be one of these layers could then be used for the insert (with the size of the ones some people already use) and the other layer for other components.The first layer for the boards, rules etc could then placed on top of this on top of this.
*continents
Thanks Mark! The plan is for future expansions to use the core player mat (or the Oceania mat, if players want). We may make promo packs for, say, extinct birds, though the expansions will focus on the continents. And that’s a neat idea about the layers!
Will there be consideration for space for upgrade items, such as the Meeple Source upgrades for food, nectar, and bird/player tokens?
Yes, that’s part of the insert design. There are so many third-party accessories that we can’t cover them all (we don’t even know about them all), but we’ll leave ample space in the trays for bigger tokens.
Love this and want it SO bad – just don’t want to make a WordPress account to do the poll.
Thanks! Can you try now? I think it should work for anyone now.
I need something I can take in car. Would need handle and a closure. Otherwise I can keep using my portable craft box which works well. Large Bird feeder doesn’t fit. Wish your bird feeder stayed together better. It fell apart after a few games.
Yes, this big box is very car friendly. It’s not designed to hold a bird feeder we don’t make. As for our bird feeder, for long term use, I’ve found that a few well-played touches of glue make it extremely durable.
I commented on the video on Facebook also. My idea for cards is to have the bottom later split. Keep 1/3 of the layer for one bird tray. The rest could be just for cards to be stored horizontally on their sides. Like multi-row card boxes that could have tabs or dividers for the different expansions.
I personally don’t separate expansions so for me dividers are not a big deal. I do however have a 3d printed bird feeder from gameupgames.com that is slightly larger than the original. Hopefully some accommodation can be made for it.
Thanks David!
Love this idea! Maybe you could throw in a promo card, like an ostrich. Biggest bird in the biggest box. :)
Thanks Kevin! We won’t be including any gameplay content in the box, but there will surely be an ostrich card in a future expansion. :)
This looks fantastic!!! Love the idea of a new box big box. Only have the core game and Oceania right now, but it would be a great excuse to pick up Europe (and all future ones!). Would you consider creating a combined hardcover rule book, similar to Scythe, to go along with it?
Brandon: Yes, when we’re finished with all 7 continents, I think it’s likely that we’ll put together a complete rulebook, and we’ll make sure it fits in the big box.
That looks great! Of course, I’m not really wanting to store my game right now. I’m so enjoying playing it!
I’ve decided to just leave it set up so I can play an Automa game whenever I want. Someday, I may want to put it away, but for now, I’m going to enjoy it!
My wife and I love this game, and the Oceanic expansion has made the whole experience leagues better than ever before! But we definitely are eagerly anticipating this kind of storage solution!!
So far, we prefer to play with both of the expansions’ cards mixed together, which means for us, one sufficiently sized card tray would be ideal. That may clash with the modular tier design, though?
Thanks, Mike and Liz! With the cards mixed together, we’ll probably encourage you to keep using the plastic card trays (which will fit into the big box). There will be some dividers in the middle section of the box where you could put cards from the previous game so that you’re only seeing new cards in the next game.
Hi Jamey! So sad I missed the livecast, but I’m totally in for the big box. I’ve posted in the FB comments, but I’ll summarize here.
Everything is mixed together (I have both expansions). All cards are mixed between the 2 bird boxes (which I fit solely into the base box) and the rest of the components are split amongst the other expansion boxes. I actually keep the birdfeeder assembled as a nice bookshelf decoration, so that isn’t an issue for me.
Rather than shuffling every time, I like playing through all cards first before. It would be nice to have a tab or separation that helps to delineate which “decks” have been used.
Thanks!
Thanks for your input, Marcus! I like that idea.
This is awesome. Bummed I missed the live stream, but here are a bunch of thoughts:
I really appreciate your sustainable tendencies (and I work for an environmental group!). But, I would much rather see a new deeper tray where you can just line up cards horizontally on their sides, maybe with a nice “dealer slit” to pull cards from the top of the deck. Maybe the box could come with one of those and you can add on the base-game tray to fit almost all bird cards.
It would mean that rather than 3 layers, after the player mats come off you have side-by-side deep areas: one narrower part for a trays, and the other can have the plastic insert that comes out with eggs/food ready to play, with birdfeeder next to it, and room for automa/bonus cards (the latter should be easier to get to since you need them each game, but only a fraction of bird cards). Under that tray can be other storage for player tokens, other stuff, and room for rulebooks (including a mega rule book).
I also think that for people who just combine all the cards, we will not shuffle all that each game, but rather work through the mass of cards and then shuffle. So, larger collections are nice rather than needing to take cards out of 3 trays, each of which has 3 wells etc, maybe with a divider to show what you have played through etc.
This is not quite on topic, but it is REALLY hard to sort OE vs EE in those circles – for future expansions can you change the shape and/or color in addition to the code (also not sure how the codes for Asia vs Africa vs Antarctica are going to work!). If people do want to split up expansions among different trays or wells, it would be helpful to make it a bit easier to do so.
Also, this was floated in the livestream, but I really liked the idea to have each level/well/section theme to a different habitat.
Finally, maybe instead of printing what goes where, can you include a sticker sheet with different branded labels – so that as people organize their own box, they can delineate that themselves!
OK – that is enough from me!!
Thanks David! This is great feedback, and I’ll take it under consideration. The sticker idea is great, and as for the symbols on future expansions, we’ll definitely delineate them better. :)
I just voted that I would purchase one if reasonably priced and it didn’t seem to register my vote….
love what you’re doing here! We always have our box open and overflowing bc we can’t seem to fit everything. This will be great!
Thanks! I was wondering why it wasn’t registering any votes. I’m not sure what the glitch is, but I’ll look into it. :)